[Bradford] U.K. Court, in David Miranda Case, Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights of Free Press

Thu Jan 21 14:28:09 UTC 2016

Hi Nick,

I agree on some points and disagree on other, I believe the choice of
technology chosen to either protect your privacy or hide something
considered today unlawful [it might change tomorrow] is not specifically
bound to the Gnu/Linux system.

Spying and espionage existed prior to the invention of the Gnu/Linux
system, in fact you can even find it in The Holy Bible:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Spies

More recently,
I don't recall people complaining about being arrested or interrogated
at an airport because they had a Linux sticker on their laptop.
Imagine people taking a plane going to Linux or coding conventions ahahaha
Otherwise every one with an Android phone would become suspect !
Also, I was never asked to start my Linux devices in an airport.

So it is not Linux related topic although Gnu/Linux distributions offers
amongst the best available tools to protect your data.
I believe the topic is beyond Linux, it is a political topic and I agree
it is important to talk about it as citizens but I just don't find it
relevant in a Linux mailing list.

Cheers,

Stephane

On 21/01/16 12:51, Nick Rhodes wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This is a related topic. The documents in question were from Edward
> Snowden, whistleblowing on the USA and friends spying activities of
> which some have been ruled illegal. As 99% was technology based this
> is relevant as it brings into question our ability to be able to
> report on systems used for spying and illegal data collection activities.
> We need to discuss these topics, moral and rights of how we should and
> shouldn't use technology and this includes talking about software
> licences, investigation and discovery of electronic devices for
> personal and research purposes (such as finding bugs and alternative
> uses). If we don't we will never bring into question the people and
> organisations we trust to look after us and be able to highlight any
> oversight or misjudgement or worst case blantant misuse of technology.
>
> Cheers Nick
>
> On 21 Jan 2016, at 12:12, Stephane Urdy <stephane.urdy at yourprog.com
> <mailto:stephane.urdy at yourprog.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chaps,
>>
>> These are interesting topics.
>> Maybe I am wrong, but I thought this was a Linux related mailing list ?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Stephane
>>
>> On 21/01/16 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>>> Today's it's spun as European Human Rights. Yesterday it would have
>>> been spun as the great tradition of British Press Freedom. Take your
>>> pick.
>>>
>>> At the expense of ruining a good story, the judgement (as opposed to
>>> the spin) upholds the government's actions but notes that the law is
>>> poorly drafted.
>>>
>>> During detention, there is no statuary mechanism for the detainee to
>>> admit that they have privileged original documents in their
>>> possession and to ask for a magistrate able to seal them to the
>>> court. This is both unreasonable and inequitable.
>>>
>>> The way these things are usually done are to obtain the services of
>>> a lawyer who arranges for them to be declared at customs. No one in
>>> the civil service seems to have considered that anyone would be
>>> stupid enough to attempt to smuggle original legal documents through
>>> 'nothing to declare'.
>>>
>>> My moral - don't play at being a spy. The British taking spying far
>>> too seriously, and are better at it than most. Detention is nothing
>>> much to be worried about. The time to worry is when the professional
>>> spooks invite you politely to leave through the special private exit
>>> (before customs, detention ot who have legally entered the country).
>>> During the troubles, if you knew where the door was, you could see
>>> them taking away folk out from Leeds-Bradford whose records would
>>> say they'd never boarded the plane in Ireland.
>>>
>>> For what it's worth, if you ever want to get documents out of the
>>> country without the British spying on you, just ask a frenemy to
>>> ship them FedEx. That's US of A, and they take care of their own.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Brian A <bradlug at hackroyd.org.uk
>>> <mailto:bradlug at hackroyd.org.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     U.K. Court, in David Miranda Case, Rules Terrorism Act Violates
>>>     Fundamental Rights of Free Press
>>>
>>>     As a background, for those who have forgotten/not followed this:
>>>     David Miranda is the partner of Guardian journalist Glenn
>>>     Greenwald who interview Ed Snowden in Hong Kong.
>>>
>>>     It is interesting to note that this case was won because of the
>>>     protection of the European Convention of Human Rights. As I
>>>     understand it Cameron wants us out of European Human Rights - so
>>>     where would that leave us!
>>>
>>>     UK Court Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights of Free
>>>     Press
>>>     <https://theintercept.com/2016/01/19/miranda-appeal-uk-terrorism-fundamental-rights-violated/>
>>>      
>>>      
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>>>     <https://theintercept.com/2016/01/19/miranda-appeal-uk-terrorism-fundamental-rights-violated/>
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>>>     UK Court Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights...
>>>     <https://theintercept.com/2016/01/19/miranda-appeal-uk-terrorism-fundamental-rights-violated/>
>>>
>>>     The court ruled that the UK's laws breach rights in case
>>>     involving seizure of documents from the partner of Intercept
>>>     co-founder Glenn Greenwald.
>>>
>>>     View on theintercept.com
>>>     <https://theintercept.com/2016/01/19/miranda-appeal-uk-terrorism-fundamental-rights-violated/>
>>>     	
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>>>
>>>
>>>     Brian
>>>
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>> Cheers,
>>
>> Stephane
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