<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>They (Yahoo) also suggested that attachments were an indicator of possible spam, so you can see how Bradlug messages get treated suspiciously. It manifested itself in my case by presenting me with a gotcha everytime I tried to reply to a Bradlug message. On the few times I could read the gotcha it still didn't send.<br><br>David<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Martyn Ranyard <ranyardm@gmail.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, 18 November, 2009 17:00:51<br><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Bradford] Spam stuff (was Re: Drupal meeting)<br></font><br>Hi Dick,<br><br>2009/11/18 Dick Thomas <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:xpd259@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:xpd259@gmail.com">xpd259@gmail.com</a>><br>><br>> there was n issue with the mailing list filtering emails with an pgp<br>> attachment to spam but that "should" be fixed now.<br>
<br>Yes but there was no pgp attachment to Alices mail and whilst I'm quite happy to suspect Google's spam filter was just being over-zealous, it is extremely unusual for that to happen and other occurrences have been reported of mail not getting through...<br>
<br>Here's the main headers from the mail that got tagged as spam by google :<br><br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Alice_K=E6rast?=" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:kaerast@computergentle.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:kaerast@computergentle.com">kaerast@computergentle.com</a>><br>
To: <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk">david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk</a>>,<br> <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:05:40 -0000<br>
MIME-Version: 1.0<br>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.1432.1<br>X-lug.org.uk-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--)<br>X-lug.org.uk-Spam-Report: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 autolearn=ham<br> version=3.2.3; <br> pts rule name description<br>
-2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%<br> [score: 0.0000]<br> Scanned on host <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mail-in-01.lug.org.uk">mail-in-01.lug.org.uk</a> on Wed,<br> 18 Nov 2009 10:05:49 +0000.<br> If you have any query please contact <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:postmaster@lug.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:postmaster@lug.org.uk">postmaster@lug.org.uk</a><br>
X-lug.org.uk-Virus-Scanner: Scanned by ClamAV on <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mail-in-01.lug.org.uk">mail-in-01.lug.org.uk</a> at Wed, <br> 18 Nov 2009 10:05:49 +0000<br>X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:03:35 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Bradford] Drupal meeting<br>
X-BeenThere: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9<br></div><br> <br>Now, one thing I noticed that jumped out is that Alice is using a special char in her name, which is often going to flag things up, but in contrast, one of the other messages had the following headers and wasn't marked as spam :<br>
<br><div style="margin-left: 40px;">From: <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:hudsonjr@ntlworld.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:hudsonjr@ntlworld.com">hudsonjr@ntlworld.com</a>><br>To: bradford <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>In-Reply-To: <1258364295.12042.12.camel@david-laptop><br>
MIME-Version: 1.0<br>X-Priority: 3 (Normal)<br>Sensitivity: Normal<br>X-Originating-IP: from 82.47.182.199 by <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://webmail.ntlworld.com">webmail.ntlworld.com</a>;<br> Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:56:53 +0000<br>X-Mailer: 4.2.8<br>
X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=C9LpeOOAF9sA:10 a=vqgxMe-LcG-IpeUAQ7wA:9<br> a=1Bmlo3dONaMsSLOL_U5Ww-IZFqIA:4<br>X-lug.org.uk-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--)<br>X-lug.org.uk-Spam-Report: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 autolearn=ham<br>
version=3.2.3; <br> pts rule name description<br> -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record<br> -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1%<br> [score: 0.0000]<br> Scanned on host <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mail-in-01.lug.org.uk">mail-in-01.lug.org.uk</a> on Tue,<br>
17 Nov 2009 12:57:04 +0000.<br> If you have any query please contact <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:postmaster@lug..org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:postmaster@lug.org.uk">postmaster@lug.org.uk</a><br>X-lug.org.uk-Virus-Scanner: Scanned by ClamAV on <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://mail-in-01.lug.org.uk">mail-in-01.lug.org.uk</a> at Tue,<br>
17 Nov 2009 12:57:04 +0000<br>Cc: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bradlug@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:bradlug@googlegroups.com">bradlug@googlegroups.com</a><br>Subject: [Bradford] FOSS Day: Meeting with Anthony Clipsom<br>X-BeenThere: <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9<br></div><br>Note that the X-lug.org.uk-Spam-Score was exactly the same, but the X-Cloudmark-Analysis header has been added - This again could be something added at google's end but might be woth looking at the differences.<br>
<br>Alice, it is probably worth bearing in mind that using the dipthong in your From is quite possibly going to mark your mail as spam, which I have no doubt is something you want to avoid. Annoying though it is, a huge volume of spam comes from countries with different character sets and the more fascist spam engines will weigh it heavy, especially as the charset of the mail doesn't necessarily match the charset of the from section.<br>
<br>Anyway, that's all nice and disjointed thoughts that may or may not be useful.<br><br>--<br>Martyn<br>
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