<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Courier New, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span>Thanks Alice. I'd certainly come along (one of my day jobs forces me to go to Keighley, against all my natural inclinations) - even though I probably wouldn't understand a fair amount of what got discussed :-0</span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span>I'm being forced to make big leaps these days having only ever been an accidental tech - but organisations I care about are getting stuck and I don't see anyone else stepping forward. It just so happens that a couple of them are blessed/lumbered with Drupal. </span><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace,
sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; ">For me, the biggest disadvantage in using Drupal (and not just Drupal) is that it builds in expert-dependency and small organisations without that level of IT proficiency within their membership struggle to budget adequately to develop their sites.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; ">Appreciate you chipping in - yours is a name I've come across on lists I tend to lurk on!</span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier
New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; ">As for being serious about looking for someone to take on a support contract - I am. Have been in communication with someone who *might* take it on but worry about a mismatch between budget and cost.</span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; "><br></span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_1328470978784958" style="font-size: 14pt; ">As I have pointed out to the organisation in question, £2k only buys you the equivalent of 1.5 hours a week at £25/hr (what they were paying the last guy who just never has the time to do anything for them now he's getting 2-3 times that on
commercial projects) if spread over the year. What might work for them would be to </span><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_1328470978784965" style="font-size: 14pt; ">split a (slightly increased) budget like this:</span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_1_1328470981177394" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><br></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_1328470978784972" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; ">60 hours @ £25/hour = £1500 (advisory role)</div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_1_1328470981177397" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; ">100 hours @ £10/hour = £1000 (technical 'donkey' work)</div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_1328470978784979" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><br></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span
id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_1328470978784984" style="font-size: 14pt; ">Which would provide a 100% increase in time spent on the site for a 25% increase in budget.</span><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_1328470978784991" style="font-size: 14pt; "> Then what we'd be looking for would be someone who would:</span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_13284709787841000" style="font-size: 14pt; "><br></span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_13284709787841005" style="font-size: 14pt; ">* Answer questions no-one else knows the answer to</span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_13284709787841028"
style="font-size: 14pt; ">* Do some hands-on work that could not (economically) be delegated</span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_13284709787841014" style="font-size: 14pt; ">* Show/tell how specific (and more time consuming) pieces of work would need to be done - and leave it to the organisation to find volunteers or IT 'apprentices' (like myself, for example) to crack on, with access to occasional support/advice when needed.</span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_13284709787841037" style="font-size: 14pt; "><br></span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_13284709787841042" style="font-size:
14pt; ">Without a model something like that, I begin to wonder how they will square the (underfunded) circle.</span></div><div id="yiv2138128166yui_3_2_0_19_132847097878448" style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><br></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; ">Paul</span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; "><br></span></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><span style="font-family: courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;
"><br></span></div><div><font face="courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div style="font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: 'Courier New', courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif; "> <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alice Kaerast <alice@kaerast.info><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> David Carpenter <david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Paul C <pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk>; "bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" <bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, 6 February 2012, 19:03<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Bradford] Hi + Brain Pick<br> </font> </div> <br>I'd be up for a get together of local Drupal users if somebody else<br>wanted to organise something. I can offer meeting rooms in Keighley<br>if you don't mind venturing out that far.<br><br>Most of my Drupal work currently is supporting developers in using it<br>- both setting up infrastructure for them and acting as a channel for<br>them to share knowledge. The main tricks I can share are to make good<br>use of Drush, keep the modules used down to a minimum, subscribe to<br>the security announcements list, and use the Omega theme if you're<br>starting something from scratch.<br><br>The North West Drupal Users Group have monthly meetings in Manchester,<br>and many of them hang out in the Drupal UK IRC channel on Freenode.<br><br>I can put you in touch with other Drupal developers off-list if
you're<br>serious about looking for somebody to take on a support contract.<br><br>Alice<br><br><br><br>On 6 February 2012 12:44, David Carpenter <<a ymailto="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk" href="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk">david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>> Hi Paul<br>><br>> I'm a bit of a drupler.<br>><br>> Happy to help any time. Just mail me.<br>><br>> If lots of people are interested in a bit of help, I could look at<br>> putting on a day. Alice did host a meeting of the Yorkshire Drupal User<br>> Group one time, but I think busy lives got in the way of this going<br>> further.<br>><br>> Cheers<br>> David<br>> On Sun, 2012-02-05 at 19:32 +0000, Paul C wrote:<br>>> Evening all. I've just signed up. I work for Bradford CVS in the<br>>> Voluntary Services Centre on Sunbridge Road and (amongst other things)<br>>> produce the Briefing Bradford
newsletter.<br>>><br>>><br>>> I'm also a bit of a 'make it up as you go along' volunteer on a number<br>>> of web projects, locally/nationally/internationally.<br>>><br>>><br>>> I've recently got involved with a couple of sites that both use Drupal<br>>> and its proving to be quite a steep learning curve for me and there<br>>> are only so many hours in the day. Am curious to know if there are any<br>>> drupalers on here and if I might run the occasional brain pick by you<br>>> (hope not to make a habit of it)?<br>>><br>>><br>>> I realise this might be quite a niche area of interest and perhaps<br>>> should be kept offlist - just not sure of the protocol. If you fit the<br>>> bill please feel free to get back to me on or offlist.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Many thanks - good to be on board.<br>>><br>>><br>>> Paul Colley<br>>>
_______________________________________________<br>>> Bradford mailing list<br>>> <a ymailto="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" href="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk">Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>>> <a href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford" target="_blank">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford</a><br>><br>> --<br>> David Carpenter<br>><br>> nornir<br>><br>> E: <a ymailto="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk" href="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk">david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk</a><br>> Skype: carpenter.david<br>><br>> Please save paper and only print this email if you have to.<br>><br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Bradford mailing list<br>> <a ymailto="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" href="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk">Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>> <a
href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford" target="_blank">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford</a><br><br><br><br>-- <br>Mx Alice Kaerast<br>Devops supergirl, agile coach, corporate sysadmin<br><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div> </div></body></html>