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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>With takeout you lose all fidelity IE previous revisions, images, etc... If you ever have to take anything out of any Google product you will lose a lot of content, don't be tricked by the marketing.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><br>John McLear<br>McLear Ltd<br>Etherpad Foundation<br>Primary Technology Ltd<br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: xpd259@gmail.com<br>Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 15:10:57 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [Bradford] Fw: Website Construction<br>To: john@mclear.co.uk<br>CC: david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk; pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk; bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk<br><br><div dir="ltr">Google takeout!! <span class="ecxGINGER_SOFATWARE_spelling">bloggger</span> exports as xml , rss feed<div><br></div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><span></span>About.me <a href="http://about.me/dick.thomas" target="_blank">http://about.me/dick.thomas</a><br>
Blog: <a href="http://www.xpd259.co.uk" target="_blank">www.xpd259.co.uk</a><br>G+: <a href="http://www.google.com/profiles/xpd259" target="_blank">www.google.com/profiles/xpd259</a><br><br><span></span></div></div>
<br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 11 April 2013 14:45, John McLear <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john@mclear.co.uk" target="_blank">john@mclear.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div dir="ltr">Blogger is not open source, good luck using it when Google decide it's no longer profitable for them.. <div><br></div><div>Sources: Internet.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
<br></div><div><div class="ecxim"><br><br>John McLear<br>McLear Ltd<br>Etherpad Foundation<br>Primary Technology Ltd<br><br></div><div><div></div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:xpd259@gmail.com" target="_blank">xpd259@gmail.com</a><br>
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 14:44:12 +0100<div class="ecxim"><br>Subject: Re: [Bradford] Fw: Website Construction<br></div>To: <a href="mailto:john@mclear.co.uk" target="_blank">john@mclear.co.uk</a><br>CC: <a href="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk" target="_blank">david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk</a>; <a href="mailto:pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk</a>; <a href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><div>
<div class="h5"><br><br><div dir="ltr">While I like Wordpress my +1 goes to blogger<div>As it's free to have a domain name pointed to your blog once you have paid for it from any provide and you can edit the html to your heart's desire</div>
<div>To <span>achive</span> the look you wish, plus you can embed code in posts and "widgets" <span>etc</span></div><div><br></div><div>
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Dick</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><br><span></span>About.me <a href="http://about.me/dick.thomas" target="_blank">http://about.me/dick.thomas</a><br>
Blog: <a href="http://www.xpd259.co.uk" target="_blank">www.xpd259.co.uk</a><br>G+: <a href="http://www.google.com/profiles/xpd259" target="_blank">www.google.com/profiles/xpd259</a><br><br><span></span></div></div>
<br><br><div>On 11 April 2013 10:48, John McLear <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john@mclear.co.uk" target="_blank">john@mclear.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div dir="ltr"><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">+1 for Wordpress.com</span></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;">
<br style="padding:0px;"></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span style="padding:1px 0px;"><b style="padding:0px;">Things you can't do</b></span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">No Embed so no embedding primarywall, primarypad, wordle, voki etc. [Excludes youtube and vimeo]</span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">No XMLRPC so no ability to use mobile apps such as classdroid.</span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">You can’t use your own domain IE <a href="http://myschoolblog.com" target="_blank">myschoolblog.com</a></span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">You can’t heavily modify themes so changing the layout of your blog can be difficult.</span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">No plugin uploads so you can’t access the millions of plugins available in the wordpress Codex.</span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><br style="padding:0px;"></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;">
<span style="padding:1px 0px;"><b style="padding:0px;">Things you can..</b></span></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">No need to worry about growth, <a href="http://wordpress.com" target="_blank">wordpress.com</a> can handle millions of requests per second.</span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">No need to worry about upgrades or updates.</span></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;">
<span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">Preview new versions of WordPress.</span></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">All of your data is backed up and protected for you.</span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">Comes pre-loaded with a spam filter.</span></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;">
<br style="padding:0px;"></div><div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;">Shamelessly stolen from: </span><span style="padding:1px 0px;"><a href="http://mclear.co.uk/2011/09/03/wordpress-com-vs-primaryblogger-vs-self-hosted/" style="padding:0px;" target="_blank">http://mclear.co.uk/2011/09/03/wordpress-com-vs-primaryblogger-vs-self-hosted/</a></span><span title="Original Text" style="padding:1px 0px;"> </span></div>
<div style="padding:0px;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:16px;"><br style="padding:0px;"></div><br>John McLear<br>McLear Ltd<br>Etherpad Foundation<br>Primary Technology Ltd<br>
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<div><div></div>> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 09:30:15 +0100<br>> From: <a href="mailto:david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk" target="_blank">david.carpenter@nornir.co.uk</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>
> CC: <a href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><div><div><br>> Subject: Re: [Bradford] Fw: Website Construction<br>> <br>> My advice would be for them to look at Wordpress.com<br>
> <br>> Their current site is not very complicated and would transfer via copy<br>> and paste quickly.<br>> <br>> A domain can be bought easily at an independent supplier, or through<br>> <a href="http://wordpress.com" target="_blank">wordpress.com</a>. (it then costs $10 a year to 'map' the domain to<br>
> <a href="http://wordpress.com" target="_blank">wordpress.com</a> software, otherwise the hosting costs are zero)<br>> <br>> If they out grow the site, they would then be on a portable platform<br>> where they can take it onto their own servers in future.<br>
> <br>> Add in something like google calendar for their events and they'd<br>> basically have the BradLIUG site!<br>> <br>> They may need some help to achieve this, and with any project like<br>> this is worth working out what the capacity is within the organisation<br>
> to cope with their website, but in my experience Wordpress is picked<br>> up quite quickly be people and is quite easy to look after.<br>> <br>> Cheers<br>> David<br>> <br>> On 10 April 2013 15:29, Paul Colley <<a href="mailto:pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
> > This is what the Society in question has at present<br>> ><br>> > <a href="http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/standrewssocietybradford/" target="_blank">http://www.communigate.co.uk/brad/standrewssocietybradford/</a><br>
> ><br>> > Constructors of Scottish heritage will be looked upon favourably, I imagine.<br>> ><br>> > P.<br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>> > From: Paul Colley <<a href="mailto:pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> > To: John Robert Hudson <<a href="mailto:j.r.hudson@virginmedia.com" target="_blank">j.r.hudson@virginmedia.com</a>><br>> > Cc: BradLUG <<a href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013, 14:26<br>> ><br>> > Subject: Re: [Bradford] Fw: Website Construction<br>> ><br>> > Here is the response:<br>> ><br>> > Do they want help:<br>> > · to obtain a domain name Yes<br>
> > · to host a website No<br>> > · to set up their own website Yes<br>> > · to create a website from scratch Preferably<br>> > · to create a website using templates Possibly<br>
> > · to create a website using a content management system ??<br>> > · primarily to provide information Yes<br>> > · primarily to interact with people, whether their own volunteers or<br>
> > the wider community? Eventually yes<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > We only need ball park figures initially and maybe a look at someone’s<br>> > previous work.<br>> ><br>> > Don't know how helpful that is but it's a start.<br>
> ><br>> > If anyone is interested in throwing their hat in the ring (or recommending<br>> > someone) please let me know asap.<br>> ><br>> > P.<br>> ><br>> > ________________________________<br>
> > From: John Robert Hudson <<a href="mailto:j.r.hudson@virginmedia.com" target="_blank">j.r.hudson@virginmedia.com</a>><br>> > To: Paul Colley <<a href="mailto:pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank">pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>
> > Cc: BradLUG <<a href="mailto:bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>> > Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013, 21:19<br>> > Subject: Re: [Bradford] Fw: Website Construction<br>
> ><br>> > Some thoughts.<br>> ><br>> > Do they want help:<br>> > to obtain a domain name<br>> > to host a website<br>> > to set up their own website<br>> > to create a website from scratch<br>
> > to create a website using templates<br>> > to create a website using a content management system<br>> > primarily to provide information<br>> > primarily to interact with people, whether their own volunteers or the<br>
> > wider community?<br>> ><br>> > John<br>> > --<br>> > On Tue, 2013-04-09 at 20:48 +0100, Paul Colley wrote:<br>> >> Hi all<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Received the following enquiry from a colleague today.<br>
> >><br>> >><br>> >> I’m involved with a local Society that is looking to create a new<br>> >> website and domain. Can you recommend any people that might be able<br>> >> to undertake this – we are looking to get quotes?<br>
> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Said I certainly can recommend or signpost - but that it will be<br>> >> difficult to quote without further info.<br>> >><br>> >><br>
> >> Anybody potentially interested? Anyone willing to suggest basic<br>> >> questions that would need to be answered in order to come up with an<br>> >> offer?<br>> >><br>> >><br>
> >> Paul<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> Bradford mailing list<br>> >> <a href="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>
> >> <a href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford" target="_blank">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>
> > Bradford mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>> > <a href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford" target="_blank">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford</a><br>
> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Bradford mailing list<br>> > <a href="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>
> > <a href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford" target="_blank">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford</a><br>> ><br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>
> Bradford mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">Bradford@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>> <a href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford" target="_blank">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/bradford</a><br>
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