<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Setting unity as their default desktop environment in 11.04, I had been using it already on a netbook, so was less of a shock to me. IMHO should of waited until 12.04 before making it default as it had too many glitches/quirks. Tricky situation where they needed to get Unity used a lot to iron out bugs though.<br>
<br>I am not decided on smart scopes, there are a few I would find useful on occasion, based on what I have read so far.<br>The Amazon search results would of been fine IMHO if there was no privacy implications.<br><br></div>
<div>1. Its a good alround Distro IMHO, I use it personally on Desktop and media machines, use it at work for servers (along with Redhat and Debian) I have a mild preference to it over Debian because I prefer the release cycles (Desktop and Server). Under the hood their patching policy/quality is not as good as Debian by a long way (for example they patched Shotwell to use their own version of online accounts, so it can non longer be used outside Unity for publishing images online). But generally its least hassle to install/configure and run day to day for myself.<br>
</div><div>Ubuntu support is patchy, if its a core app they can be good at patching, something more obscure and its generally just left to wait for an upstream fix to hopefully trickle down on the next release. Debian in contrast seems to promote maintainers activity working with upstream directly, which I see little evidence of from Ubuntu. There are hits and misses with Ubuntu IMHO but no doubt it its a good option for Windows refugee's and non techys on the desktop.<br>
</div><div><br></div>2. Apart from still not having a good reason for it existence could cause friction amongst developers, I don't think it will cause fragmentation, just like systemd/upstart has not, they are somewhat (lots of non trivial init script type changes needed) interchangable components. I honestly can't see how they can make a stable well tested X replacement, especially based on their current track record of developing software, Unity was far from perfect, then they kept making changes under the hood), if Xorg or Wayland is not an easily installable fall back it could well drive me away from Ubuntu.<br>
<br></div>3. Can anything ? IMHO the only chance is to find a good niche. What compelling features will it have ? What compelling features will it have missing ? (for me a big one is google maps/navigation).<br><br></div>
4. I think Ubuntu has some good ideas, ability for the phone to provide a desktop to a connected display, Unity IMHO be less jarring between mouse/keyboard and touch operation than Windows 8 for example. <br></div><div>Do they have the resources to keep up their standards with the desktop ?<br>
</div><div>I am worried that the Unity desktop will get watered down with touch apps and could be some thing else that drives me away from Ubuntu.<br><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, Nick<br></div><div><br></div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 July 2013 09:09, Mohammed Djavanroodi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mo.roodi@gmail.com" target="_blank">mo.roodi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Hello all,</p><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I'm new here and this is my first submission so please be gentle!</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Now a little background. I work as a web developer and while at work I have to use Windows, at home I solely use Ubuntu and have done for a while, although I've only recently started using it exclusively. I've been playing around with Linux on and off for the past 10 or so years but I'm by no means l33t!</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">What I really wanted to do was guage people's feelings towards Ubuntu and Canonical.</p><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
In the community there seems to be a lot of mixed feelings towards the approach and decisions that Canonical are making, from setting unity as their default desktop environment in 11.04 to plans to use mir as their display server in 13.10 onwards to their smart scopes and Amazon search results.</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">And then there's Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Edge as well. Basically it would seems Mark Shuttleworth has had a plan all along and now we're starting to see the plan which is convergence.</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">My own personal opinions are mixed. I like Unity now, but that's not always been the case. The Amazon search results was just a complete mistake, and I think IF done right the whole convergence thing looks like it shows promise, although as a traditional laptop users I hope they don't make any compromises!</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So here are my questions for discussion:</p><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">1. What are people's thoughts on Ubuntu?</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">2. Do you think using Mir will cause fragmentation in Linux?</p><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">3. Can Ubuntu touch gain any traction in a market dominated by Android and iOS?</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">4. Can Ubuntu succeed in convergence where others have compromised too much?</p><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I appreciate that this is quite a wide range of different discussions. I also want to open the floor to more general discussions about Ubuntu as well. Some in the Linux community have said that Mark Shuttleworth wants to be the next Steve Jobs... Is that ridiculous?</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Also Ubuntu is the distro that Steam recommends, with Ubuntu changing to Mir which distro will steam suggest for it's Linux gamers?</p><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
Apologies this submission is a bit of a brain splurge!</p><p dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Thanks,<br>Mo</p></div>
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