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    Hi Chaps,<br>
    <br>
    These are interesting topics.<br>
    Maybe I am wrong, but I thought this was a Linux related mailing
    list ?<br>
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    Kind regards,<br>
    <br>
    Stephane<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/01/16 11:51, Robert Burrell
      Donkin wrote:<br>
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        <div>Today's it's spun as European Human Rights. Yesterday it
          would have been spun as the great tradition of British Press
          Freedom. Take your pick. <br>
          <br>
          At the expense of ruining a good story, the judgement (as
          opposed to the spin) upholds the government's actions but
          notes that the law is poorly drafted.<br>
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        <div>During detention, there is no statuary mechanism for the
          detainee to admit that they have privileged original documents
          in their possession and to ask for a magistrate able to seal
          them to the court. This is both unreasonable and inequitable.
          <br>
          <br>
          The way these things are usually done are to obtain the
          services of a lawyer who arranges for them to be declared at
          customs. No one in the civil service seems to have considered
          that anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to smuggle
          original legal documents through 'nothing to declare'. <br>
          <br>
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        <div>My moral - don't play at being a spy. The British taking
          spying far too seriously, and are better at it than most.
          Detention is nothing much to be worried about. The time to
          worry is when the professional spooks invite you politely to
          leave through the special private exit (before customs,
          detention ot who have legally entered the country). During the
          troubles, if you knew where the door was, you could see them
          taking away folk out from Leeds-Bradford whose records would
          say they'd never boarded the plane in Ireland. <br>
          <br>
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        <div>For what it's worth, if you ever want to get documents out
          of the country without the British spying on you, just ask a
          frenemy to ship them FedEx. That's US of A, and they take care
          of their own.<br>
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        Robert<br>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:40 AM,
              Brian A <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    <div dir="ltr">U.K. Court, in David Miranda Case,
                      Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights of
                      Free Press</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr">As a background, for those who have
                      forgotten/not followed this: David Miranda is the
                      partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald who
                      interview Ed Snowden in Hong Kong.</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr">It is interesting to note that this
                      case was won because of the protection of the
                      European Convention of Human Rights. As I
                      understand it Cameron wants us out of European
                      Human Rights - so where would that leave us!</div>
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                    <div dir="ltr"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://theintercept.com/2016/01/19/miranda-appeal-uk-terrorism-fundamental-rights-violated/"
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                        Violates Fundamental Rights of Free Press</a><br>
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