<div dir="ltr"><div><div><shrug><br></div><div><br>There's been a long running interest here in data security when you take your Linux laptop across the UK border, and some interest in technology law. From time to time, Leeds-Bradford has high security so there's a local slant too. <br><br></div>If your laptop has a card reader, then you could boot from there with keying material on the card. Transport the card in your camera, or something. Customs sometimes wants you to be able to boot your laptop so you need a bootable card with a Linux on as well. I find the partition IDs are still really fiddly, and none of the major distros seem to work well for me out of the box. My favoured solution today is rolling my own using busybox. It's quite intricate and I don't know any good, well maintained resources on the internet explaining how to accumplish it. <br><br>I know a number of BradLUGgers have to travel with important keys would prefer something simpler. Like having more rights when detained, for example. Seems unlikely to me that this will lead to a change in the law any time soon, though. <br><br></div><div>Then again, when I was detained at Leeds-Bradford flying back from ApacheCon, no one cared about the copy of Applied Cryptography in my hand luggage nor my encrypted Linux laptop. They just wanted to talk about what my neighbours and cricketing friends thought about 9/11. Then again, I was living in a majority ethnic postcode at the time so I suppose that shouldn't have come as a big surprise. <br></div><div><br></div>Robert<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Stephane Urdy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stephane.urdy@yourprog.com" target="_blank">stephane.urdy@yourprog.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Chaps,<br>
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These are interesting topics.<br>
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought this was a Linux related mailing
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Kind regards,<br>
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Stephane<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>On 21/01/16 11:51, Robert Burrell
Donkin wrote:<br>
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<div>Today's it's spun as European Human Rights. Yesterday it
would have been spun as the great tradition of British Press
Freedom. Take your pick. <br>
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At the expense of ruining a good story, the judgement (as
opposed to the spin) upholds the government's actions but
notes that the law is poorly drafted.<br>
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<div>During detention, there is no statuary mechanism for the
detainee to admit that they have privileged original documents
in their possession and to ask for a magistrate able to seal
them to the court. This is both unreasonable and inequitable.
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The way these things are usually done are to obtain the
services of a lawyer who arranges for them to be declared at
customs. No one in the civil service seems to have considered
that anyone would be stupid enough to attempt to smuggle
original legal documents through 'nothing to declare'. <br>
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<div>My moral - don't play at being a spy. The British taking
spying far too seriously, and are better at it than most.
Detention is nothing much to be worried about. The time to
worry is when the professional spooks invite you politely to
leave through the special private exit (before customs,
detention ot who have legally entered the country). During the
troubles, if you knew where the door was, you could see them
taking away folk out from Leeds-Bradford whose records would
say they'd never boarded the plane in Ireland. <br>
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<div>For what it's worth, if you ever want to get documents out
of the country without the British spying on you, just ask a
frenemy to ship them FedEx. That's US of A, and they take care
of their own.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:40 AM,
Brian A <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bradlug@hackroyd.org.uk" target="_blank">bradlug@hackroyd.org.uk</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">U.K. Court, in David Miranda Case,
Rules Terrorism Act Violates Fundamental Rights of
Free Press</div>
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<div dir="ltr">As a background, for those who have
forgotten/not followed this: David Miranda is the
partner of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald who
interview Ed Snowden in Hong Kong.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">It is interesting to note that this
case was won because of the protection of the
European Convention of Human Rights. As I
understand it Cameron wants us out of European
Human Rights - so where would that leave us!</div>
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