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<p>The drop outs could be due to some of us trying to connect from
the BCB meeting room, and with (in my case) laptops not as good as
home desktops. Perhaps we should try a comparison at an online
meet - start with Calyx, and halfway through, try Discord.</p>
<p>Regarding frequency of IP meets, quarterly, plus any
social/informals sounds ok to me. If pre-arranged topics/speakers
are to be presented, then I think a projector, or a large screen
would be needed which is currently lacking.<br>
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would be desirable to use FOSS for video meetups but both the
performance of Jitsi and Calyx public servers has been poor,
that is the reason I suggested Discord. They currently allow
for up to 25 users and it is likely that the performance will
be good. So much time in the meetings has been spent trying to
cope with drop outs. There may be other options that are
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<div> On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 at 22:25:35 BST, John
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Nick<br clear="none">
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Thank you. I hope others will respond to your thoughts.<br
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There has been a general dropoff in attendance at all
sorts of events since <br clear="none">
Covid-19. <br clear="none">
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One observation was that young people are more likely to
be sharing on social <br clear="none">
media and that was the motivation for looking in that
direction.<br clear="none">
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For me, when we restarted face-to-face meetings, the
online option was for the <br clear="none">
benefit of those not ready to restart face-to-face
meetings; I did not see it <br clear="none">
as a long-term option. It has become long-term by default
rather than by <br clear="none">
design.<br clear="none">
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I agree that hybrid meetings require decent equipment but
I have only <br clear="none">
experienced that at Lancaster University and when on
government meetings. All <br clear="none">
the other experiences I have had have had limitations. So
I do not think it is <br clear="none">
practical for us to mount a reasonable hybrid setup.<br
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So I would be in favour of abandoning hybrid meetings and
going for a mixture <br clear="none">
of face-to-face and online meetings.<br clear="none">
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I like the idea of formal face-to-face meetings every
quarter with a pre-<br clear="none">
announced topic partly because I think it might not be
practical to get enough <br clear="none">
topics to justify alternating face-to-face and online
meetings. <br clear="none">
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There is nothing to stop us having informal meetings in
addition to formal <br clear="none">
meetings.<br clear="none">
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I would rather not use Discord for exactly the same reason
as we moved from <br clear="none">
Jitsi to Calyx - the requirement to sign on which I think
is a turn off for <br clear="none">
many people. But if there is an alternative FOSS program I
would be happy to <br clear="none">
try that.<br clear="none">
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John<br clear="none">
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On Wednesday, 25 October 2023 20:28:07 BST Nick Rhodes via
Bradford wrote:<br clear="none">
> Hi,<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Are in-person meetings declining across local
computer/tech/geek groups ?<br clear="none">
> Do people generally prefer online only ?<br
clear="none">
> Are people turned-off by mailing lists, what type of
discussion channels<br clear="none">
> do the expect/enjoy ?<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Maybe a bit of research is needed to help us consider
future direction,<br clear="none">
> especially if we want to doing some promotion to try
and increase<br clear="none">
> membership.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> In my experience, meeting rooms need
dedicated/quality equipment for<br clear="none">
> sufficient quality to pick up everyone in the room
with decent clarity<br clear="none">
> for those connecting in remotely. When there are
talks and presentation<br clear="none">
> with a speaker, its helpful to have a moderated
Q&A afterwards (putting<br clear="none">
> questions in the chat works).<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> If we can't get a meeting room with decent
connectivity and<br clear="none">
> microphone/speakers, I would prefer not to have mixed
in-person/online<br clear="none">
> meetings<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> I like the idea alternating in-person and online in
some fashion. We<br clear="none">
> could evaluate in 6/12 months and adjust to demand.<br
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> <br clear="none">
> Recently my travel options have improved, so
attending in person in<br clear="none">
> Bradford would be easier for myself than it has in
the past.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> I quite like the idea of having something like
quarterly in person<br clear="none">
> meetings which are fully planed with things like
presentations, talks,<br clear="none">
> guest speakers.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> I have pondered over the idea of making monthly
meetings as<br clear="none">
> informal/socials, not sure if in person or online are
best and worry<br clear="none">
> they might detract from the mailing list.<br
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> <br clear="none">
> If we agree to continuing some form of online
meetings, think we should<br clear="none">
> try hard to find a privacy respect video conferencing
service, ideally<br clear="none">
> one built on FOSS technology, but I am pragmatic and
if something like<br clear="none">
> Discord is the only viable option, I would use it. I
would be happy to<br clear="none">
> donate towards a paid for option.<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> Cheers, Nick<br clear="none">
> <br clear="none">
> On 23/10/2023 16:10, John Robert Hudson via Bradford
wrote:<br clear="none">
> > Hi all<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > So far, only a few people have commented on
whether we should go online<br clear="none">
> > for<br clear="none">
> > the future or try in some way to combine
physical and online meetings -<br clear="none">
> > perhaps by alternating, perhaps by having less
frequent, more focused,<br clear="none">
> > physical meetings.<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > More comments would be helpful as there are a
lot of people on the mailing<br clear="none">
> > list who may not attend any form of meeting but
might like to be involved<br clear="none">
> > in different ways while those who attend
occasionally might have a<br clear="none">
> > preference about their occasional attendance.<br
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> > John<br clear="none">
> > <br clear="none">
> > On Friday, 13 October 2023 17:21:48 BST Bernard
Czenkusz via Bradford <br clear="none">
wrote:<br clear="none">
> >> Hi guys, an observation I'd like to put up
for comment--<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> I find on-line meetings don't mix well with
physical meetups - limited<br clear="none">
> >> bandwidth, and sat around the room with
headphones with half the meet<br clear="none">
> >> spent working out ways to maintain
connections and stop audio feedback.<br clear="none">
> >> Also room costs not shared with those
attending on-line.<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> If we are doing on-line I'd prefer to do it
from home, with a decent<br clear="none">
> >> connection and desktop computer.<br
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> >> <br clear="none">
> >> Physical meets allow free flowing general
chat easier - with more than<br clear="none">
> >> one conversation, so if someone needs help
with an application they can<br clear="none">
> >> be helped as others are doing something
else. It also allows coffee,<br clear="none">
> >> biscuits and follow on pub visit.<br
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> >> <br clear="none">
> >> 1. Should we continue to mix physical with
on-line as we do now.<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> or<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> 2. Have physical meets only, without
attempting to maintain on-line<br clear="none">
> >> connections.<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> or<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> 3. Have on-line meets only.<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> or<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> 4. Mainly on-line with special physical
meetup events?<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> or<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> 5. Alternate physical with on-line, either
every alternate month, twice<br clear="none">
> >> monthly or other period?<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> or<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> 6. Other options?<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> For what its worth, my own preference would
be to alternate since there<br clear="none">
> >> seems to be a demand for both. Does anyone
have any opinions???<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> Cheers<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> Bernie<br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> <br clear="none">
> >> --<br clear="none">
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