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</style></head><body><div>Hi Paul</div><div><br></div><div>Not sure if this will help:</div><div><br></div>
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<div class="standard" id="magicparlabel-9480">Just some general points: if you are writing an essay, it should have:</div>
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<li class="enumerate_item" id="magicparlabel-9481">An introduction</li>
<li class="enumerate_item" id="magicparlabel-9482">Three main points backed up with evidence/quotes</li>
<li class="enumerate_item" id="magicparlabel-9483">A conclusion.</li>
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<div class="standard" id="magicparlabel-9484">People writing for the web often do not quote sources because they are not academics and are writing for a lay audience who would not bother to look at the sources anyway.</div>
<div class="standard" id="magicparlabel-9485">You only need to quote page numbers if you are giving an exact quote or referring to a specific chapter/section of a book/article. Otherwise the author, title, publisher and year are probably enough.</div>
<div class="standard" id="magicparlabel-9486">If you do quote something, do it from the original, not from someone else’s quote or say, only as a last resort, ‘X quoting Y says …’ Otherwise, if you cannot find the original quote, summarise the point X is making rather than quoting anything.</div>
<div class="standard" id="magicparlabel-9487">For books which are not recent, you can often find details of books on the Internet or by searching the British Library catalogue. Similarly most journal publishers, while they will not let you read an article without subscribing, will let you see an abstract of it and give you all the information you need to reference it if you do not need to quote from it or refer to a particular aspect.</div>
<div class="standard" id="magicparlabel-9488">For articles published on the web, give the author, title, publication, date and URL followed by ‘accessed on …’ saying when you actually read it on the web. As these are usually single pages, you do not need to give a page number when quoting from them.</div>
<div>John</div><div><br></div><div>On Sat, 2025-01-11 at 20:41 +0000, Paul Colley via Bradford wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex; border-left:2px #729fcf solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="ydpc0b0b633yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 16px;">Hi all and happy 2025. I've been approached by a friend who is having to do Best Interests Assessor training in order to keep their job with a social services department and is struggling with the essay drafting. Would you be willing to comment on their recent letter to me and perhaps offer advice and signposting - it's not something I've explored beyond the most superficial of use cases. Thanks in anticipation. They write:</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><font size="2">I'll also be able to share with you my a.i. journey of navigating different AI essay writing tools. It's been like trying to tame an unruly beast, although unruly in the sense of its default to simplify everything when am needing the opposite of that. It's extremely hard to get them to give specific quotes in quotation marks and page references, even if asked explicitly, and even when claiming to have access to journal data bases (in the way that Chat GPT/Gemini don't). I am prepared to pay a subscription but the best one I found (Samwell a.i) only allows a year subscription of about £100 min and that still doesn't do quotes.</font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2"><br clear="none"></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font size="2">(am not planning on submitting an AI written essay but I need more quotes with page numbers to back up stuff. I wonder if the very nature if AI is to pull from a wide range of sources so its almost counter to its programming to be specific. I'm surprised though because the research one I used does pull out specific journals so don't know why it's so hard to find a quote from the journal)</font></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size: 16px;"><br clear="none"></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size: 16px;" data-setdir="false">Paul</div></div></div><div style="font-size: 16px;"><br></div><div class="ydpc0b0b633signature" style="font-size: 16px;"><div style="font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="ydp2f46093bpasted-link"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"><div dir="ltr"><span style="background-color:inherit;"><font size="1" style="background-color: inherit;">PAUL COLLEY | </font></span><font size="1"><span style="background-color:inherit;">pchcolley@yahoo.co.uk | +</span></font><span style="font-size:x-small;">44 7862 175114 </span></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-size:16px;font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;"><p style="font-size:12px;margin:0px;font-stretch:normal;line-height:normal;font-family:Helvetica;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);" dir="ltr" class="ydp2610c683p1"><span></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span></span></div></body></html>