<div>I don't close my blinds/curtains - again it boils down to personal preference. If someone comes onto my property to look through my windows... well, my father is ex-special forces and a very large man - I'll say no more.</div>
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<div>The biometric information isn't absolute, though. They can't say, "OK well, your biometric ID matches a crime committed in London" - I've never been London... ever. The crime would need to be commitment in my area, whilst I'm present, not to mention the other facts of the case. Biometric/DNA evidence isn't absolute, it's merely accepted in court.</div>
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<div>I can be held without charge for 28-42 days without charge - but only under the terrorism act; and act of, or involvement in, terrorism has to be proven. No disrespect, but both you and Paul have gone to extremes to prove an already perfectly valid point that I understand and accept - Phorm invades your privacy.</div>
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<div>I do value my privacy and there are lines I don't want companies crossing - this isn't one of them as it's what I expect from greedy, money-grabbing companies that care not for your well being.</div>
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<div>Why did the council watch that mother? I father does that very job - he's a P.I. now - I can assure you the council obtain permission from a Judge, which isn't easy. There must have been a reason for it? :)<br>
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<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/1/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">David Holden</b> <<a href="mailto:dh@iucr.org">dh@iucr.org</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">On Saturday 31 May 2008, Michael Crilly wrote:<br>> I have strange feelings towards this Phorm thing. I don't mind being<br>
> "spied" on, if you can call it that, because I have nothing to hide; just<br>> as I don't mind CCTV, biometric ID cards, DNA tests and databases - I don't<br>> break the law and I don't have a criminal record it is therefore only in<br>
> place to assist me, not hinder me.<br><br>There are two obvious problems with the "nothing to hide" argument.<br><br>Firstly if you have nothing to hide ask yourself the question "why do I close<br>my curtains in the evening?", presumably you aren't doing anything illegal in<br>
the evening.<br><br>Secondly it assumes that these methods of surveillance function without error.<br>You may not mind having your biometrics on a national database however if<br>that database through error of function, design or both matches your record<br>
against particular criminal activity, disruption to you life will be more<br>than minimal.<br><br>Given that government IT projects currently have a 70 percent(!!!) failure<br>rate the second of these problems is not unlikely.<br>
<br>Combine this with legislation that will allow you to be held without charge<br>for 28 (42) days and mass surveillance seems to be a little less benign.<br><br><br>Also beware arguments along the lines that powers introduced to allow<br>
pervasive surveillance will only be used in serious cases recently Poole<br>council used the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (RIPA) to draw up a<br>list of a mother's movements showing the times and exact routes of school<br>
runs with her children. These included detailed notes such as "female and<br>three children enter target vehicle and drive off" and "curtains open and all<br>lights on in premises". The mother said her daughter was having trouble<br>
sleeping because she feared "a man outside watching us". You may ask why were<br>they using an act designed for serious crime or terrorism, the family had<br>recently sold their house but were still living in it to qualify for the<br>
local school..<br><br><br><br>Dave.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>><br>> However, the thing that does boil my blood about Phorm is purely the fact<br>> they're breaking the law. I hate, with a passion, big companies thinking<br>
> they can just do as they please and are above the law - i.e. MS.<br>><br>> That's my two-cents on the matter :P<br>><br><br><br><br>--<br>Dr. David Holden.<br><br>See: <<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html</a>><br>
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