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Cheers again guys. I'm going for some careers advice first day off - tuesday. We'll see what jobs are up for grabs.<br><br>> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 12:46:48 +0000<br>> From: movedx@googlemail.com<br>> To: chester@mailman.lug.org.uk<br>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change<br>> <br>> I agree with David on this one.<br>> <br>> A friend of mine used to work for a comparison website as a<br>> programmer. After I told him I wanted to go into programming, he<br>> advised I applied to the same company as they're looking for junior<br>> programmers at the moment. He went on to add that some of the<br>> programmers that had been there for a year or more, didn't know what a<br>> class property was; didn't understand the four basic principles of OOP<br>> and in some cases, didn't know what OOP was... and some of these<br>> people had Comp. Sci. degrees? Also, the website is ASP.NET based, so<br>> knowing what OOP is is pretty essential to the job. I was head and<br>> shoulders above some of the programmers there with no commercial<br>> experience, no computer quals. and 8 useless GCSEs.<br>> <br>> In fact, even some programmers I speak to now who work in the industry<br>> don't understand things like Seperation of Concerns, Dependency<br>> Injection, Aspect Orientated programming, Domain Driven Design, etc.<br>> As far as most of the GOOD programmers I know, these are basic<br>> concepts.<br>> <br>> Just goes to show you what you can find in the work place earning<br>> £22k+ by blagging their way by :)<br>> <br>> You're an intelligent bloke Paul, so as David said, sell your self and<br>> add some icing on the cake :)<br>> <br>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:31 AM, David Holden <dh@iucr.org> wrote:<br>> > On Tuesday 24 March 2009, Paul Williams wrote:<br>> >> cheers guys. I have taught ICT before. Problem is I never bothered with<br>> >> vista (so out of date with windows) and not skilled enough to train anyone<br>> >> on linux.<br>> >><br>> >> I would probably be looking more at a trainee techie post to start off to<br>> >> broaden my skill base.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > One thing I'll add is try not sell yourself short, I find this hard since my<br>> > cautious nature means I always do this, but I can't tell you how many times<br>> > I've met people doing jobs that they clearly have no clue about . Someone<br>> > with a bit of enthusiasm is already ahead of the game, so I'd try<br>> > and "oversell" yourself because I guarantee there will be people with less<br>> > gumption bluffing it.<br>> ><br>> > Anyway good luck and all the best!<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >><br>> >> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000<br>> >> From: biglynchy@gmail.com<br>> >> To: chester@mailman.lug.org.uk<br>> >> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] Career change<br>> >><br>> >> That sounds like a great idea, there are always stories on the news it<br>> >> seems about the lack of trained IT professionals and how this skills gap<br>> >> needs to be filled. Someone will have to train them. Could be a winner.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> I'm afraid I don't know of any IT jobs personally that I can recommend, I'm<br>> >> about as much use as a chocolate teapot in this case but I wish you the<br>> >> very best of luck in your search. Hope you find something that suits you<br>> >> very soon.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Good luck!! :)<br>> >><br>> >> Dan<br>> >><br>> >> 2009/3/24 Stuart Burns <stuart.james.burns@gmail.com><br>> >><br>> >> Hiya,<br>> >><br>> >> Just as a thought, if your a people person, why not look to IT Training ?<br>> >> From what I hear (one of my friends does training) it can be good money. I<br>> >> even happen to know that (don't all wince at once;) West Cheshire College<br>> >> do a Microsoft Certified Trainer course, in the evenings.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Also Linux training is a big area. We recently went on a private Solaris<br>> >> course organised through a uni, and I think the trainer easily netted a<br>> >> couple of grand for a weeks work.<br>> >><br>> >> As I say, just a thought!<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> 2009/3/24 Paul Williams <wilp4a@hotmail.co.uk><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> I have been advised to leave teaching.<br>> >><br>> >> The fact is that I cost too much. My salary is protected by law, so I<br>> >> can't lower it. Problem is there is nothing to force schools to consider<br>> >> employing me despite the cost.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> I cost about £10k more than a newly qualified teacher. So I'm not getting<br>> >> a look in.<br>> >><br>> >> A school can employ me, or a NQT and a teaching assistant.<br>> >><br>> >> So... Career change time.<br>> >><br>> >> Does anyone know of any entry level jobs in IT for someone with 10 years<br>> >> experience (user rather than job related) using computers, with a degree,<br>> >> but no IT qualifications other than ECDL?<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> Cheers<br>> >><br>> >> Paul<br>> >><br>> >> Windows Live Messenger just got better. 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