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<font size="-1">I've never tried Ruby (it's visually a mess to me -
worse than complex Perl), but I have heard good things. I don't
consider PHP to be a mess - I think it's down to the programmer if
it's a mess; you're the one writing the code, so you decide if
it's a mess or not. Python is lovely but as you imply, it does try
to be overly clever about things.<br>
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I remember buying a Java book a few years back. I read a few
chapters and developed a headache, then moved on to Python and
Perl and life became a lot easier (basically I got things done
very quickly, with ease).<br>
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Good luck with what ever you choose, Stuart :-)<br>
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On 05/04/2011 13:30, David Holden wrote:
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<pre wrap="">If I didn't have so much invested in Perl I'd probably go Ruby. It's
nicely objected oriented and generally doesn't try to be too clever
*couch* python *couch*.
I would agree with Les, I don't think performance should be a worry with
Java now but it is massive and they abstract the hell out of everything.
I find PHP a mess but it is very powerful.
If you want Java like by more of a scripting language I've always been
meaning to look at either Scala or Judoscript. Judoscript particularly
looks interesting from a sysadmin point of view.
Cheers,
Dave.
On 05/04/11 10:07, Les Pritchard wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Hi Stuart,
Some interesting suggestions there. I do feel I need to stick up for
Java here as lots of people like to criticise it (not here though I must
add). Java is a platform (not just a language) that enables to you build
anything from small embedded systems through desktop apps to the large
scale enterprise web applications.
It isn't as fast as something written in C or C++, but it will still be
faster than most of the interpreted languages out there. Plus
compilation provides additional error checking etc. Java is strongly
typed, which I personally prefer. I'm yet to find a reason why you may
need weak typing - maybe it's just the way I program.
The problem with Java is that it is massive. There are libraries to do
so much and that scares some people off. Also like C++ is takes a bit to
get your head around it all at first, but once you get the basics and OO
in general things like Javadoc are great.
Java is the most widely used language so as a skill it's very valuable.
The two types of development jobs that are always out there are Java &
PHP, so that's always a plus (please note I'm ignoring the .net jobs as
that's normally C# and that's just really Java anyway :-) )
Like editors, everyone has their favourites and often dislikes the
competition! I'm not saying that Java is the best for everything, but
I've programmed in it for a long time now and it's always done the job
really well. If I were to start from scratch I may consider going for
C++ instead, but that would limit me slightly. Apart from that I can't
see anything else that would be capable of what I require.
If you fancy something bleeding edge, you could always try Newspeak
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://bracha.org/Site/Newspeak.html">http://bracha.org/Site/Newspeak.html</a>), see FLOSS weekly for an
interview with the creator by Dan.
My thoughts anyway!
Les
On 5 April 2011 08:45, Michael Crilly <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mrcrilly@gmail.com">mrcrilly@gmail.com</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mrcrilly@gmail.com"><mailto:mrcrilly@gmail.com></a>> wrote:
Perl + Catalyst or PHP + Symfony, couple with any DB back-end you want.
On 04/04/2011 22:42, Stuart Burns wrote:
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<pre wrap=""> I knew someone would come up with some "odd" ones :)
TBH to my mind, it is just an exercise in seeing what I can do. My
day job is all VMware and Linux infrastructure so I don't get to
do any programming (well powershell for vmware automation but
thats about it) I can hack perl together if I need to.
I can give you an example. I have what I think is a good idea for
a website, but I don't currently have the skills to implement it :)
On 4 April 2011 21:35, Sebastian Arcus <<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shop@open-t.co.uk">shop@open-t.co.uk</a>
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On 04/04/2011 08:53 PM, Richard Smedley wrote:
On 04/04/11 18:44, Stuart Burns wrote:
I just thought I would drop an email to ask for some
advice re: programming
languages to learn. Now that I have time on my hands
(at last) I am looking
to learn a language that can be used for both web
development as well as
locally on the PC.
1. JavaScript.
No, seriously, it is a proper language.
Take a look at:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://eloquentjavascript.net/">http://eloquentjavascript.net/</a>
(& you can move on to node.js afterwards :)
In that case, I suppose an option for programming local apps
would be the XULrunner platform from Mozilla. It is what
Firefox and Thunderbird is built on. You program the interface
in XUL (which is a mark-up language, quite easy to
understand), and the logic in Javascript. I found it all quite
interesting, and the multiplatform aspect helps. However, few
months ago when I tried it, the printing feature was a bit of
a major PITA - so I started looking elsewhere. I liked most
everything else though. It only has access to SQLite databases
at the moment, but there was talk of implementing an ODBC
driver which would allow connections to a lot of other RDBMS's
though.
Sebastian
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