Oh don't get me wrong, I will always move people (normally willingly once I've explained the dangers!) to WPA2. I had one person tell me someone had complained that their Windows 98 system wouldn't connect. Think we know the answer to that one!<div>
<br></div><div>As for BT....yes what can we say! I've not done any testing of a BT connection, would someone using BT Fon take bandwidth from the owner of the connection? Or do they reserve a permanent percentage for them at all times? In that case you're not getting the full potential from your connection.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 July 2011 20:22, Sebastian Arcus <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:shop@open-t.co.uk">shop@open-t.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Hmm - I don't know. Wherever I go - business or domestic - I enable WPA2. Whatever doesn't want to play with it, whatever the reason - gets binned. Short and sweet - no excuses. By binned of course I mean either binned or used off the network.<br>
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The level of compatibility these days with WPA2 is high enough to not put up with going back to anything else.<br>
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And for those mentioning BT routers - well, I don't know how you would expect anything from those pieces of *$%^&. Any equipment that comes preconfigured from ISP to create additional wifi networks and share my own broadband connection with others (while essentially re-selling the bandwidth I have already paid for) deserves nothing but a sledge hammer.<br>
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Sorry - I must be in an intransigent mood today.<br>
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On 13/07/11 16:38, Michael Crilly wrote:<br>
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Nothing surprises me these days.<br>
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On 13/07/11 16:29, Les Pritchard wrote:<br>
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You've hit the nail on the head there security vs convenience. I have<br>
been to so many companies who use WEP because they know it will work<br>
with all devices. They also use a simple key as something longer is<br>
just harder to type :-)<br>
<br>
I've also spoken to home users who use WEP, or nothing at all as<br>
they've had problems connecting consoles to WPA2. Very scary.<br>
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On 13 July 2011 16:24, Michael Crilly <<a href="mailto:mrcrilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mrcrilly@gmail.com</a><br></div><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<mailto:<a href="mailto:mrcrilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mrcrilly@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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I believe WPA is backwards compatible with WEP enabled hardware<br>
(but not WPA2 as the chipsets can't do the processing). WPA is an<br>
improvement over WEP as it uses better encryption, it doesn't<br>
directly use master keys and it's IV has been increased to 48,<br>
from 24, and as such you have trillions of key combinations,<br>
instead of about 17 million. WPA2 requires completely new hardware.<br>
<br>
I think ISPs should be taking on the responsibility of ensuring<br>
people's security, as far as wireless technology at home goes,<br>
anyway. This can be done by shipping wireless routers with only<br>
WPA2 enabled, minimum key requirements and a decent password<br>
policy on the router's administration panel, etc. That being said<br>
it can't be too easy as you end up sacrificing security for<br>
convenience, which is never good.<br>
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On 13/07/11 16:15, Bryn Salisbury wrote:<br>
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The question for me is whether or not older units in<br>
circulation have been updated to support WPA2. I know that<br>
there are still a load of 1st generation BT Home Hubs out<br>
there which still work on WEP, and the other question is how<br>
often people update their wifi passwords (I bet most<br>
provider-issued devices are still set to their factory<br>
WEP/WPA2 keys).<br>
<br>
Buzz Out Loud did a long segment about Wifi routers a few<br>
weeks ago, and my recent (painful) experience trying to<br>
reconfigure my own HomeHub made me wonder how many 'normal'<br>
people actually look (or even know they should look) at such<br>
things?<br>
<br>
B<br>
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On 13 Jul 2011, at 16:10, Michael Crilly wrote:<br>
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<br>
Mind you most residential gateways come with WPA2 as<br>
standard now (the article was a few years back), so<br>
hopefully this will not be as easy to do.<br>
<br>
On 13/07/11 16:08, Les Pritchard wrote:<br>
<br>
Yes that's a great story, there's a lot of this going<br>
on sadly. If you've upset anyone - don't use WiFi :-)<br>
<br>
On 13 July 2011 15:23, Michael<br></div></div>
Crilly<<a href="mailto:mrcrilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mrcrilly@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mrcrilly@gmail.com" target="_blank">mrcrilly@gmail.com</a>>><div class="im"><br>
wrote:<br>
I've just started reading this on Arstechnica:<br>
<a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/07/wifi-hacking-neighbor-from-hell-gets-18-years-in-prison.ars" target="_blank">http://arstechnica.com/tech-<u></u>policy/news/2011/07/wifi-<u></u>hacking-neighbor-from-hell-<u></u>gets-18-years-in-prison.ars</a><br>
- quite scary! It just goes to show you what you can<br>
do with some tools off of the Internet and some basic<br>
knowledge.<br>
<br>
This could be a story for your company's website, Les ;-)<br>
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