How is the other pc-bsd user doing. The two of you against the world ;)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 January 2012 17:15, Les Pritchard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:les.pritchard@gmail.com">les.pritchard@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">That's interesting. I've been trying a few distros out recently after<br>
Ubuntu went to Gnome 3. When Mint went to Gnome 3 I gave it a quick go<br>
but wasn't impressed.<br>
<br>
At the moment I've ended up using XFCE on a few different distros and<br>
am really liking it again. Nice and simple, plus you can use compiz if<br>
you want.<br>
<br>
I've also started testing PC-BSD again, I know it's not appropriate<br>
for this list :-) but so far I'm quite impressed. I really like the<br>
idea of all applications being completely independent of each other.<br>
Could reduce the stress caused when you upgrade one package and it<br>
breaks others.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
Les<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On 26 January 2012 15:57, David Holden <<a href="mailto:dh@iucr.org">dh@iucr.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I used the gnome version of mint 12 for a while, it was OK but a bit<br>
> clunky. I eventually went for SUSE 12.1 which is pretty vanilla gnome<br>
> but did some tweeks, like allowing maximise/minimise windows, plus some<br>
> tweaks from here <a href="https://extensions.gnome.org/" target="_blank">https://extensions.gnome.org/</a><br>
><br>
> Dave.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 26/01/12 15:54, Les Pritchard wrote:<br>
>> Hi Paul,<br>
>><br>
>> Are you using the Gnome version of Mint? If so, how have you been finding it?<br>
>><br>
>> Les<br>
>><br>
>> On 26 January 2012 15:45, Paul Williams <<a href="mailto:wilp4a@hotmail.co.uk">wilp4a@hotmail.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> I tried duck duck go as a default for about a month, but it never seemed to<br>
>>> return the results I needed. Maybe there's something positive to say about<br>
>>> google's profiling there.<br>
>>><br>
>>> When I switched to Mint 12, I lost the "right click> search google" option<br>
>>> in Firefox. Since I use it all the time to check IP addresses and google<br>
>>> throws up "stop forum spam" within 2 results every time, I watched with<br>
>>> horror as duck duck go failed to display it for several pages. I have since<br>
>>> hacked firefox back to give google as default.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I respect what duck duck go stand for, but it's not for me.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Paul<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:34:39 +0000<br>
>>>> From: <a href="mailto:les.pritchard@gmail.com">les.pritchard@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> To: <a href="mailto:chester@mailman.lug.org.uk">chester@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Chester LUG] You've heard about the Google thing..<br>
>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In fact, that reminds me. A few years back I met a guy who was in the<br>
>>>> business of selling Eastern European wifes (although I think he worded<br>
>>>> it a bit better and legally than that!). He was setting up a website<br>
>>>> for his company, all I could think of were pages with the Amazon style<br>
>>>> "Customers who looked at this lady also liked..." at the bottom :-)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:30, Les Pritchard <<a href="mailto:les.pritchard@gmail.com">les.pritchard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>> Blimey, their profiling is spot on!<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:25, Stuart Burns <<a href="mailto:stuart.james.burns@gmail.com">stuart.james.burns@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>> I guess for the time being I shall just put up with adverts for Russian<br>
>>>>>> brides, Viagra and hitmen for now. (kidding!)<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:22, Les Pritchard <<a href="mailto:les.pritchard@gmail.com">les.pritchard@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Yes, in a way Google is run in a very honest way. They're a bunch of<br>
>>>>>>> techies who don't enjoy the support and personal interaction. Normally<br>
>>>>>>> there's a buffer between them and customers in most companies, but<br>
>>>>>>> that never happened for Google.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 15:07, David Holden <<a href="mailto:dh@iucr.org">dh@iucr.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> The interesting thing to me about Google is their almost non<br>
>>>>>>>> existent<br>
>>>>>>>> support. More and more my online presence relies on them but if<br>
>>>>>>>> something goes wrong there appears to be little in the way of<br>
>>>>>>>> resolution, sans their poor help system. I compare this to say<br>
>>>>>>>> Amazon,<br>
>>>>>>>> who in my experience provide excellent support, their Kindle support<br>
>>>>>>>> is<br>
>>>>>>>> amazing.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> Dave.<br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>> On 26/01/12 15:00, Les Pritchard wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting stuff, the whole search engine world seemed to go very<br>
>>>>>>>>> quiet for a while - like everyone had given up and let Google get<br>
>>>>>>>>> on<br>
>>>>>>>>> with it.<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> The trouble with all of these is scaling and that's where Google<br>
>>>>>>>>> got<br>
>>>>>>>>> it bang on. They've now got to such a size that all these other<br>
>>>>>>>>> sites<br>
>>>>>>>>> feel so slow - even if we're just talking seconds!<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> It's really good to have some more competition in this area though<br>
>>>>>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>>>>> I'll have a good play. I do find it funny that this slightly<br>
>>>>>>>>> anti-Google conversation has included three Gmail users, I'm sure<br>
>>>>>>>>> they're watching us :-p<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> Les<br>
>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 14:27, Ben Arnold <<a href="mailto:BenArnold@fsfe.org">BenArnold@fsfe.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Highly recommended, I've had it as my default for months as the<br>
>>>>>>>>>> search<br>
>>>>>>>>>> box<br>
>>>>>>>>>> in my Opera no longer has a Google entry :)<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I believe this is (to become) the default in Linux Mint n+1,<br>
>>>>>>>>>> probably<br>
>>>>>>>>>> just<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Firefox but I imagine they could do it for all the browsers they<br>
>>>>>>>>>> package.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> The bang search terms are ridiculously useful, "!github <search>"<br>
>>>>>>>>>> etc.,<br>
>>>>>>>>>> though "!google <search terms>" not so much...<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> I've also come across Seeks, <a href="http://www.seeks-project.info/" target="_blank">http://www.seeks-project.info/</a> and<br>
>>>>>>>>>> search<br>
>>>>>>>>>> with<br>
>>>>>>>>>> thier instance <a href="https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php" target="_blank">https://www.seeks-project.info/search.php</a>, which I<br>
>>>>>>>>>> think<br>
>>>>>>>>>> that, as a decentralised service, aims to group users that search<br>
>>>>>>>>>> for<br>
>>>>>>>>>> similar terms so they can provide useful results for that group.<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Sort<br>
>>>>>>>>>> of<br>
>>>>>>>>>> like voting up, but not for individual searches. Yes, I'm still<br>
>>>>>>>>>> confused.<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Until later,<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> On 26 January 2012 12:52, Stuart Burns<br>
>>>>>>>>>> <<a href="mailto:stuart.james.burns@gmail.com">stuart.james.burns@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I found out about a new search engine and have been using it for<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> a<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> week or<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> so. Google like it used to be, without annoying ads, tracking,<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> and<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> asking do<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to upload to + etc. It also, most importantly has good<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> privacy, and<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> all sorts of customisable options, to include fully secure<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> search, no<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> search<br>
>>>>>>>>>>> term passing etc.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.duckduckgo.com" target="_blank">www.duckduckgo.com</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's clean, it's simple, it's relevant and quick.<br>
>>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also it has some geeky toys <a href="http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html" target="_blank">http://duckduckgo.com/goodies.html</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Ben Arnold<br>
>>>>>>>>>> Chester, UK<br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>> Free Software Foundation (Europe) Fellow<br>
>>>>>>>>>> e: benarnold at <a href="http://fsfe.org" target="_blank">fsfe.org</a> | ben at <a href="http://seawolfsanctuary.com" target="_blank">seawolfsanctuary.com</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>> w: <a href="http://seawolfsanctuary.com" target="_blank">seawolfsanctuary.com</a> | chat: benarnold at <a href="http://jabber.fsfe.org" target="_blank">jabber.fsfe.org</a><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>>>><br>
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>>>>>>>> Dr David Holden. (<a href="mailto:dh@iucr.org">dh@iucr.org</a>)<br>
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>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> Stuart Burns<br>
>>>>>> E: <a href="mailto:stuart.james.burns@gmail.com">stuart.james.burns@gmail.com</a><br>
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