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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/03/2013 20:38, Russell Briggs
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      <p>Hehe. Yes lets just agree sage is horrible but unfortunately is
        widely used and most companies are reluctant to replace it with
        any open source solutions :(</p>
      <p>As Ian says, hosting sage files on linux is not supported, and
        theres no real need since most customers that insist on running
        Sage have a suitable windows machine to host it on.</p>
      <p>We've written an integration service in C# (using SharpDevelop
        rather than Visual Studio I hasten to add!) that runs on the
        windows sage "server" and exposes functions from the sage API as
        JSON web services.</p>
      <p>We then call these services from python on our linux server to
        read and write sage data. Seems to work well for us.</p>
      <p>Russ</p>
      <p>PS - Python is awesome :)</p>
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    Well I insist that I install Linux servers which tends to mean that
    I host Sage on Linux. It works OK but I don't know if it can be
    tuned to work better than Windows but I think it can due to the
    SAMBA conf file.<br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 5, 2013 8:02 PM, "Ian Snow" <<a
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            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Hi
              Wayland</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Lets
              hope this doesn't turn into a Sage support thread
              especially with a starting subject of Hello!</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Right
              Sage 50, oh the big pile of crap that it is.</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Switching
              to Samba won't necessarily fix your issues and I'll
              explain why, Sage 50 uses DTA files for its "database"
              which each user's computer will read, lock to make
              changes, write the changes and then save and the bigger
              the DTA fiiles get the longer that takes</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Compare
              that to say a mysql server using myisam based tables, its
              only the server that locks the files not each client</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">One
              thing that will help with Sage 50 performance is to make
              sure that the AV product isn't scanning the directory
              where the Sage data is stored, that definitely makes it
              slow</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Ian</p>
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              On 04/03/2013 20:56, Ian Snow wrote:</p>
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              > Evening Russ</p>
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              ></p>
            <p
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              > I too am lucky enough to get to play with Linux at
              work, as I admin Linux</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              > database, web, dns and mail servers as well as hack
              php and c++ admittedly</p>
            <p
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              > currently on Windows but we're moving to Qt so I can
              code on linux and only</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              > have to compile and test on Windows</p>
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              ></p>
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              > I've been using Linux for around a decade now, and at
              work on the desktop for</p>
            <p
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              > the last year with Windows in a VirtualBox VM, due to
              this I haven't had to</p>
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              > play with Wine in a commercial setting, and last used
              it at home to play Wow</p>
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              > years ago before it irritated me too much to continue
              playing</p>
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              ></p>
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              > I happen to be a Sage 50 developer and I suspect your
              mileage will vary, for</p>
            <p
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              > one thing Sage UK will likely not support running
              Sage on top of Wine.</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              > It also has a Sage SData Service these days and I'm
              not sure how Wine handles</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              > windows services</p>
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              ></p>
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              > Ian</p>
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              ></p>
            <p
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              Hello Russ and Ian,</p>
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              I would be interested in how to get Sage to run 20 users
              reliably. What </p>
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style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              server tuning would be required.</p>
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              It should be possible to fine tune SAMBA so it works
              better for Sage </p>
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              than Windows 2003.</p>
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            </p>
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              Regards,</p>
            <p
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              Wayland.</p>
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            <p
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              >> Morning All!</p>
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              >></p>
            <p
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              >> Just a quick message to say hello! I am a
              colchester resident and technical</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> director at Junari Ltd based in Colchester. I am
              lucky enough to get play</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> with Linux in my day job :)</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >></p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> We use Ubuntu Linux servers to host OpenERP and
              Django-based web</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> applications for our customers, and run a
              KVM-based internal development</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> environment.</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >></p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> I also use linux (ubuntu desktop) on my work
              laptop and my home PCs.</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >></p>
            <p
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              >> Unfortunately we do still use Winblows on most of
              our workstations in the</p>
            <p
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              >> office, mainly because our customers do too, and
              we integrate with several</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> windows-based products such as Sage 50 and
              Outlook.</p>
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              >></p>
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              >> I am eager to change this at some point but I
              havn't really had a chance to</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> experiment with Wine / Crossover to see if its
              feasable. Would be</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> interested if anyone has any experience of using
              Wine in a commercial</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> environment?</p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >></p>
            <p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">>
              >> We are also always on the lookout for good open
              source developers!</p>
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              >></p>
            <p
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              >> Look forward to meeting any local linux people!</p>
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              >></p>
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              >> Russ</p>
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