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You might appreciate that Mikrotik Winbox works perfectly on Linux
thanks to WINE. It even does the MAC thing if you don't have the IP
address. You do need to install the Microsoft fonts to make it look
nice though.<br>
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Ubiquiti also support Linux.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I never even think to use Linux as a Desktop. I
think I still have nightmares of the old days of Linux Desktop
trying to get stuff to work properly. I used OSX for many years
and tbh my 2012 Macbook is still running on the original updated
OS.
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<div>I guess what's the main thing we use a computer for these
days its a web browser! </div>
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<div>I might have to give it a go again. </div>
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<div> I do think you are overdue to try Mint again. When you
say technical knowledge and tinkering I'm trying to think of
what tinkering I do. There is far more tinkering to get
Windows set up right than there is in Linux. However there
is a bit of tinkering to get WINE to run seamlessly, but
that almost counts as Windows. Clearly WINE could be tinker
free, look at PROTON in Steam.<br>
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One of the things people are familiar with in Windows is
downloading a file from a website and installing. This is
perhaps not the most intuitive thing since Microsoft have
tried to move people to the app store (which is like a Linux
repository). However plenty of websites now detect you're on
Linux and give you the Linux version of the download and
install experience. This always seems to work with Mint. For
example if you go to Valve's SteamPowered website it gives
you the Linux install button.<br>
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The other area people seem to think does not work well in
Linux is peripherals and hardware. It is worth checking if
Linux is mentioned before buying hardware but mostly it's
plug and play anyway. I bought an HD webcam and plugged it
in and started Zoom and it worked with no tinkering. This is
normal rather than the exception.<br>
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Same with graphics cards, they all seem to work from the
oldest to the newest. No need to fetch drivers although if
you want to mine with a VEGA you might want to install the
appropriate driver from AMD. Vulkan is cross platform and is
making many games cross platform. Not only that but it's
higher performance than Microsoft's DX12.<br>
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The technical skills thing is moot since your average user's
Windows skills are no better than their Linux skills. It can
be argued that no technical skills are needed to use Linux
where as they are needed to use Windows these days. What is
a user supposed to do when facing a blue screen reboot and
windows repair? This will happen most times a Windows
machine crashes or is powered off incorrectly and often
results in a system so broken only a techie can get it back.
This is since Windows 10. There does not seem to be such a
problem on Linux.<br>
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We really have had the crossing of two paths. Linux has got
so much better and Windows has got so much worse. For a
person who can't fix their own computer, Linux is the better
choice.<br>
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25 years since I first used Linux on the desktop and it's
now the winner.<br>
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<div>On 11/01/2021 10:35, James Pain via Colchester wrote:<br>
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<div>I love these xxxx is the year of the linux desktop
threads. This is a great conversation to have and
recap where we've gotten to.<br>
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<div>It depends on the user. For 90% of computer users,
I'm not convinced linux is the right choice yet. It
still requires technical knowledge and tinkering
despite the best efforts of some distros. This is
based on my last distro-hopping session about 2 years
ago. I'm overdue for another. I think Mint and Manjaro
have come a long way and their first-use user
experience is great, but they don't have the maturity
of a distro like OpenSuse or Ubuntu. MX Linux is a new
addition to the scene but had trouble running it on a
VM to try it out.<br>
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<div>For my use case, if I have one of my mega-privacy
conscious moments and want to try and disconnect from
'The Man' as much as possible (which I go through
every couple years) I'd absolutely switch out Win 10
for a linux distro. However I won't be recommending it
as a desktop OS for normal users anytime soon though.</div>
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<div>I'm overdue for a distro hop session. I might start
a new thread on this maillist when I do.<br>
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01:11, Wayland Sothcott via Colchester <<a
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">No really this
time. I know we've been saying this for 25 years but
two <br>
things have crossed paths.<br>
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Firstly Linux has got really really good. It's easy to
install and use. <br>
It's very very capable. Few things even require
windows any more and <br>
many that do run well under WINE or VirtualBox.<br>
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Secondly Windows has been getting worse at every
update, some even <br>
destroy your files. It's impractical to continue on
Windows 7 and <br>
Windows 10 is creating more and more problems for
people. With a great <br>
deal of effort it's possible to do a decent Windows
install but then you <br>
find your efforts get trashed on the next update or
some program refuses <br>
to run because it does not like what you did to
Windows. Why is Windows <br>
10 so difficult to network? Windows XP was pretty good
at this.<br>
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There are more and more examples where the user is
delighted with Linux, <br>
Mint in my case. It still bugs me that I can't run MS
Access on Linux <br>
but then it's getting easier to re-write such things.
Moving the data to <br>
MySQL is a good start. You can then write a new front
end whilst still <br>
using the old one.<br>
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Yes we are at the stage where Linux is definitely a
better choice than <br>
Windows, application requirements permitting. If all
your programs run <br>
on Linux then you're better off with Linux.<br>
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What are your thoughts on this?<br>
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Wayland.<br>
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