[dundee] new member

Sat Mar 31 19:20:04 BST 2007

Ok, two more things... first of all I just noticed Arron uses hotmail... *tuts*
secondly...

Like I said, I will do something if people want, I am by no means an expert at Cedega, or anything Linux related for that matter really. But if people think it will help then I suppose I could. However I think it would be beneficial for someone to have a system with a problem to bring it in as the same problem is unlikely to be fixed in exactly the same way on two computers. Obviously easiest would be a laptop. Also, I am lead to believe WoW works quite happily off wine on it's own, without using WineX/Cedega. I can't say I've tried, nor am likely to as, being the poor student I am, can't be bothered to pay monthly fees.
Oh, and all information for installing most games under cedega is linked to in their games database.

Ok, so I lied, there is a third thing, and probably a fourth thing knowing me. Whereas I do fully support these meetings I do think they are currently without much direction. I know there's not an awful lot to discuss but I think we should have some form of game plan. The list of things that people had problems with from the first week. Would it be possible to have more, practical sessions on that? Because like I said about Cedega, it's unlikely that any two issues are identical and it would make it a lot more worthwhile for people to see a problem being fixed rather than just a presentation about how you might go about fixing it. I'm not suggesting every meeting everyone lugs their PCs over (no pun intended, honest) but laptop would be easier, and one computer I believe would be possible to plug into the projector... *shrug* that's not up to me to decide, just an idea.

Lastly (hopefully)
Kernel compiles aren't that bad any more (nor have been since before I started) everything is menu driven, or even if you take the cheat's way out, X based (make xconfig for Qt based systems make gconfig for gtk+ based systems) but all you need is a little bit of time, and a fairly good idea as to what hardware you're running "under the hood" as Arron put it. then just go through all of the sections removing anything that you definately don't need, adding things you do and making modular what you want. Remember, unless you've done thins a few times, go through the list a few times, quite often a selection will make others accessible that you couldn't see earlier. Also unless you know exactly what you want, don't clean the source directory as soon as you've copied the kernel image. You're almost sure to have left something out. Oh, finally. Don't use modules. Well, do use them because it makes your kernel smaller and quicker but start off with a totally un-modular install as it *may* make problems... gah, maybe I could do a talk on Kernel compilation :p

Finally (ANOTHER THING???)
I believe someone wanted an install-fest or something. I know for a fact I can install Linux From Scratch within a day (no gui though) and I thought that it might be a good,fun thing. There's plenty of documentation and if organised it's possible to do a race over the weekend or something (not straight, I don't expect anyone other than me runs on 100% caffeine). Again, not up to me, just another idea.

I have a 100 spindle of CD-Rs I'm not using, I'll burn  off some distros, as well as the Linux From Scratch liveCD (contains all needed packages) if anyone wants it. I'm not overly keen on force feeding Ubuntu to new peoples... *wink* just joking

Anyway
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Signing off

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris wyllie" <cgwyllie at googlemail.com>
> To: "Tayside Linux User Group" <dundee at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [dundee] new member
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:58:27 +0100
> 
> 
> Thanks for the link, could prove most useful.
> 
> On 31/03/07, Lee Turner <lvturner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hehe, kernel re-compiles aren't as scary as they sound, iirc
> > kernelnewbies.org (I may have the url wrong and I'm too lazy to check)
> > have an exceptionally simple set of instructions to follow for exactly this
> > =]
> >
> > Arron, despite the information being freely available, it's always nice to
> > have some-one colate it and put it into an easily managable format (i.e. a
> > talkthrough on how to install a specific game) It helps people get a better
> > handle on how to use the information that's available to them and can show
> > them a few gotchas to watch out for. I for one would definately be
> > interested in getting World of Warcrack running under Cedega ;) So I say go
> > for it!
> >
> > Glad to see this list being a bit more active and I'll hopefully see some
> > of you at the next meet (which will me breaking my LUG virginity! :o )
> >
> > Peace
> >
> > On 31/03/07, chris wyllie <cgwyllie at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Erm, I just almost fell off  my chair laughing at that. "kernel
> > > recompile" O.O Eeeeep, that sounds painful, I've always avoided doing
> > > anything kernel related. However, thanks, looking up stuff now. *gulp* ah
> > > well. Thanks =)
> > >
> > > On 31/03/07, Nistur Effee < nistur at karate.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > First of all
> > > > To Arron: If people are willing for me to try and do something about
> > > > Cedega then I can try, but all the information is on their 
> > website so I see
> > > > a lot of talks I could do, like Cedega, as being a little 
> > obsolete. Anyway,
> > > > I can't next time because I'm going home for a week then.
> > > >
> > > > Next, to chris:
> > > > I had several issues with Cedega, copy protection, python, dbus,
> > > > hardware acceleration (OpenGL) but I have it working with two 
> > games so far
> > > > (them being Need For Speed Underground and the original 
> > Unreal Tournament)
> > > > but I'm fairly confident that I could get a few more games running.
> > > > If a game you want is officially supported you will have no problem to
> > > > get it running, don't worry.
> > > >
> > > > As for messing up your kernel. there's nothing a good kernel recompile
> > > > won't fix *smile*. Speaking of which I finally need to get around to
> > > > compiling a kernel for my laptop, it still has the annoying 
> > on board speaker
> > > > beep as you probably noticed on thursday plus there are 
> > WAAAAAAAAAY too many
> > > > modules installed... too much bulk *glares at Ubuntu*
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------
> > > > Signing off
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "chris wyllie" < cgwyllie at googlemail.com>
> > > > > To: "Tayside Linux User Group" < dundee at mailman.lug.org.uk>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [dundee] new member
> > > > > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:19:57 +0100
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, although you claim to have no experience or much knowledge, I'd
> > > > beg to
> > > > > differ. You mention that you've got a working cedega plus games!
> > > > Erm, what
> > > > > games may I ask?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is something I'm quite interested in (making cedega work). So
> > > > far I've
> > > > > only ever tried the CVS version which I know is a bit behind the
> > > > commercial
> > > > > version and I've never had any luck. I just downloaded the time demo
> > > > for
> > > > > 5.13 the other week but when updating my graphics drivers, managed
> > > > to break
> > > > > them...
> > > > >
> > > > > It has something to do with the kernel but I'm outta my depth fixing
> > > > it,
> > > > > time for a quick reinstall methinks. (I run elive which, according
> > > > to the
> > > > > site, has a few variations on the kernel and using stuff not outta
> > > > their
> > > > > repos can damage it. The suggestion on their site is a reinstall.)
> > > > >
> > > > > But anyway, there's only one game I want to make work with cedega,
> > > > and
> > > > > that's guildwars. It's even officially supported heheh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe you'd reply or consider talking a little about what
> > > > > distros/drivers/cedega versions/games you've found successful? Or
> > > > even both
> > > > > :) (Sorry I realise you said you're currently on ArchLinux).
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward to hearing from you,
> > > > >   Chris
> > > > >
> > > > > On 30/03/07, Nistur Effee <nistur at karate.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok, I've been to the last(/first) 2 meetings and enjoyed myself. I
> > > > was the
> > > > > > guy with the redhat the first time.
> > > > > > Anyway, I don't feel I have enough experience in many matters to
> > > > give a
> > > > > > talk on much unfortunately, but I am willing if anyone thinks I
> > > > know
> > > > > > anything.
> > > > > > I just thought I'd give a little background info though as I have
> > > > got a
> > > > > > bit of knowledge about the different distros.
> > > > > > I started in (counts back the years) December 2003 with my first
> > > > ever
> > > > > > linux install. I used Mandrake 9.2 (with the KDE desktop
> > > > environment)
> > > > > > since then I have switched to Fedora Core (hence the hat) and have
> > > > used FC2,
> > > > > > 3, 4, 5 and a small amount of 6. Mostly I have used the Gnome
> > > > desktop as I
> > > > > > found it more to my liking than KDE (ie dies less)
> > > > > > I also attempted during that time to install Suse but failed as I
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > > get it to not want to repartition my entire harddrive.
> > > > > > I have also built two working Linux from Scratch builds and gone
> > > > further
> > > > > > with one to try and install an X server (no luck, need more
> > > > practice)
> > > > > > Recently, while starting university I have also used my
> > > > girlfriends Gentoo
> > > > > > install and also set up our new router (800MHz Compaq box) using,
> > > > to start
> > > > > > off with leaf bering linux and then changing it to Gentoo when we
> > > > found it
> > > > > > difficult to get the speedtouch modem working.
> > > > > > I have also myself recently switched from FC5 to ArchLinux for the
> > > > main
> > > > > > reason I found FC too bulky. There was a lot more than I needed
> > > > and I found
> > > > > > Arch Linux easy to get along with. I now have it installed on both
> > > > my laptop
> > > > > > and my PC.
> > > > > > I have had a limited exposure to Ubuntu (no more please!) and I am
> > > > not so
> > > > > > keen on "the bells and whistles" in terms of eye candy so I can't
> > > > say Mint
> > > > > > holds too much interest for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that's about it. I currently have a Cedega subscription
> > > > and have a
> > > > > > few games working under it, although on my PC, which has a nVidia
> > > > card (my
> > > > > > laptop has ATI *sigh*)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anyone feels I can in some way contribute to the society then
> > > > please
> > > > > > tell me and I will do my best. I have had a lot of success with
> > > > Linux,
> > > > > > mainly thanks to LinuxQuestions.org so I have a few subjects I can
> > > > at
> > > > > > least help with.
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