Actually someone else regarded you as a troll. it was not me.<br><br>but if your going to come in with widely off the mark opinions, have you<br>actually watch any of the video's, or done any home work on this, I did<br>keep asking you, so have you? honestly?<br><br>okay, it may be a laptop vs teacher debate..why can't we have both?<br><br>your attitude may be you would rather not act, than give something ago.<br>This can be seen as an experiment? unless you try , then why don't<br>we sit here in the western world, recoding our application's into the next<br>Microsoft buzz word technology. Just the same regurgitation of the same technology just with a different front end.<br><br>I'd like you to review this, and see my argument.<br><br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDsIFspVzfI<br><br>so, you can act, loose some $$$$, or you can do nothing and<br>face the consequences..which could be dire.<br><br>I know which I prefer.<br><br>so, it may not be a linux vs
microsoft scenario after all.<br><br>I flamed you (just a little), because your post seem to be an off the cuff<br>statement, rather than an informed choice. Watch the video's , see what you<br>think, get back to us. <br><br>I'd rather seem some kind of change, rather than just say, well that's<br>the way it is. Nothing changes like that. Open source is about experimenting<br>with technology and ideas. Being a microsoft developer , you don't have<br>that chance, your technology is fed to you, you have no control of it's path,<br>if you don't like it, you can't lump it either. Only dead fish swim with the Stream,<br>and I feel like that every time I boot into Visual 'whatever' studio. In fact<br>I'd say that your a consume API's? Your a consumer, you consume Microsoft<br>products<br><br>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r92clMggYXA<br><br>is all about consumers... It's got some great references to Developers,Developers,Developers, and the real Developers, thier
world<br>developing countries.<br><br>so, what your saying in a nutshell, is laptops are a bad idea, you need<br>to employ teachers.<br><br>Saying that, your saying the only structure that works is that teachers are<br>the only ones we can learn from?<br><br>I remember being at school, most of my teachers did'nt know jack, we used<br>to learn of each other, a few of them we're amazing teachers, but due to low<br>pay, they we're usually over stressed, over worked, and un-motivated.<br><br>I believe olpc will work best with mentors, mentors are always so so much better, they don't force feed you information, you do that, you spend time<br>researching stuff, learning stuff, and your mentor guides you, helps you<br>over difficult concepts and that's true knowledge.<br><br>Obviously younger children aren't taught this way , and not all children can <br>learn this way.<br><br>Children always seems to just get it, they understand what IT probably more<br>than you and
I. They don't see proprietary API's. global corporations, law suits, patent law, intellectual property, license agreements etc etc etc .<br><br>They just like making technologies do cool things.<br><br>Should we allow childern free access to information, and to learn what<br>they are interested in, rather than the the power that be choosing what we learn?<br><br>What it we found, after all this time, we'd be learning the wrong stuff?<br><br>But don't get me wrong, I'm not out to toast you.............<br><br>so, lets drop this now, go and get your smalltalk and python compiler,<br>stop selling out with all this microsoft bullshit, and get writing a few<br>education applications for the olpc.<br><br>If you make money from microsoft, that's fine, go and make some money<br>with microsoft.....<br><br>Do you think Intel/Microsoft think about education? or do they think about<br>money? Microsoft could supply laptops for free, but they've got to<br>be running XP? is
XPsuited to low energy computing? of course it is'nt<br>but we'll do it anyway. how silly, and how stupid. Why won't microsoft<br>open source their operating system? Can I get hold of it for<br>education purposes ? no? Does any proprietary operating system<br>belong any where near education.. it does not!!<br><br>I'd be very wary about putting a price on everything in this world. That's<br>a very dangerous game to play.<br><br>The fact the you can sit there and defend technology corporations that make more profit in a hour, than the GNP of some of the countries we're talking about<br>really scares me.<br><br>This is a linux list, I'm sure I'd get flamed to death if I signed up to<br>a microsoft lists (do such things exist) deep with the msdn website,<br>and said..hey .net is rubbish. I might just do it if I get bored enough.<br><br>We pay for everything now days, wouldn't it be nice if one thing was<br>left for free, data. Internet economics... it just wouldn't work
if you put it within the framework of world economic policy? This tool that you value so highly wouldn't even exist if we're left to the market forces of money markets.<br><br>that's a sobering thought..<br><br>now, I'll wait to be called some money hating , communist scum...<br><br>that couldn't be further from the truth.<br><br>I wish you the best of luck 'making money' with microsoft...<br><br>I just hope you understand what legacy your going to be leaving to your children.<br><br>a bit dramatic,but it really is that important.<br><br>olpc is a solutions to something (battery acid pollution probably ;-) ) , but<br>at least it a start, at least I can say I'm contributing to something, that<br>might make a difference, rather than sitting at my desk all day, reinstalling<br>another windows server that has 'had a <insert long list here>
problem'<br><br><br>Laters,<br>Lee<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><b><i>Gary Short <gary@garyshort.org></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Lee Hughes wrote:<br> > that last video is very interesting, and might dispel this trolling I<br>> see going<br>> about OLPC<br><br>Lee, can I take it that remark is aimed at me? If so that is a pity. <br>Trolling is where you make a post on a forum, or similiar, with which <br>you do not neccessarily agree, but you know the post will cause <br>controversy amongst the readers of said forum. I did no such thing. I <br>posted a comment on this forum saying that I thought the OLPC scheme was <br>not the best use of the money if the aim was to educate the poor of the <br>developing world.<br><br>This is an assertion which I believe and not something I
posted to stir <br>you all up. My point is not whether or not the technology itself is good <br>or bad or whether or not it should run closed source or open source <br>software, I have no opinion either way, I just believe its the wrong <br>tool for the job and the money could be spent in better ways to further <br>the education of children in developing countries.<br><br>You obviously hold a differing opinion and that is fine, we can debate <br>the points of our argument, but that does not make me a troll for <br>holding my views no more than it makes you a troll for holding yours. <br>Unless you define a troll as anyone who does not agree with you of <br>course, in which case further debate would be pointless I fear.<br><br>> Intel/Microsoft, you've already lost, go home... kids don't want office <br>> 2007,<br>> internet exploder, loads of viri, and constant reinstalls and updates.<br><br>Again you try to bring the debate around to Microsoft versus Linux and
<br>closed source versus open source. That was not the topic of my original <br>post and, as I say, it is irrelevant to the point I made at the start of <br>the thread. This is not a Microsoft / versus Linux debate, its a laptops <br>versus teachers debate. I contend that the best way to educate people is <br>to employ teachers and that is where the money should have been spent, IMHO.<br><br>-- <br>Cheers,<br>Gary<br>http://www.garyshort.org<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>dundee GNU/Linux Users Group mailing list<br>dundee@lists.lug.org.uk http://dundee.lug.org.uk<br>https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dundee<br>Chat on IRC, #tlug on dundee.lug.org.uk<br></blockquote><br><p> 
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