thanks for the advice...<br><br>certainly an interesting point, if all software leads itself to digital distribution,<br>then suppliers get their cake and eat it. If there is not resale market for<br>software and you can't if loan it to a friend to check out, if 10 million<br>people play it, then that 10 million actually bought it at what ever price<br>they dictated? Brilliant...<br><br>With no distribution chain, no manufacturing costs, no shipping costs,<br>then you get 100% of the monies.<br><br>I thought steam was a good idea, until looking into it's just another cartel,<br>with heavy drm..let this be a warning to you.<br><br>Checking the price of games in steam, mosts game cost more than they<br>do in the shop, for that you get no box, no cd, no manuals etc.<br><br>I'd understand if digital distribution was cheaper, but in this case it's the<br>same or more......cake and eat it...<br><br>What ever happens if Steam take a dive for the
worst, say in 5 years time<br>the service does not exist, all software relying on the drm becomes useless.<br><br>I'd not really thought of drm in this way, and the whole prospect of code<br>that you don't really own. I'd really like a legal eagle to have a look at this<br>and see if they can get away with it. There is no reason why CD's keys<br>cannot be transferable? the servers know when two are in use, so can<br>boot two players off it a violation occurs. Steam seems like a marketing mans<br>dream, draconian , and by all account bug ridden. Seems steam can't get<br>their security in order either. A shoddy piece of drm to top all that!<br>ask Maddox, are you reading this...! ;-)<br><br>to my interest I found this.<br><br>http://www.joystiq.com/2005/11/08/playstation-3-wont-play-used-games/<br><br>that however was just a rumour, ps3 software can be used in any ps3..<br><br>but imagine if they could apply this drm to everything that has a
digital<br>format..<br>films...no second hand or rentals.<br>music...no second hand cd shop.<br>even books, sorry you can kiss libraries goodbye!<br><br>It's amazing, to wipe out the second hand market over night , you get every <br>consumer paying full price!! Brilliant. I wish I'd thought of that.<br><br>DRM IS BAD..BAD DRM..BAD DRM.<br><br>http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28694/Pressure-piles-on-pre-owned<br><br>It's look like dundee's own free radical design also want's to<br>get rid the second hand market... Yeah... their games retailing<br>at over £40 pounds or more. Who are they kidding? Braben has<br>a cheek talking about any kind of 'property' if you read how<br>he treated the brains behind Elite. An interesting strry of geek<br>vs predatory businessman.<br><br>http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/elite/faq.htm#A13<br><br>Please , somebody buzz in and tell me why this is a good idea?<br><br>I think I'll be returning my 'software' and asking for a full refund. They
can't<br>argue with that, I'll just say I never really own the software in the first place.<br><br>This argument has taught me that, <br><br>software physically does not exist, it's just a sequence of 1 and 0's either<br>as electrical signals, or stored on some sort of medium? Take the internet,<br>software does not have to have any form, it can be stored , transmitted, and<br>used just in it's electrical or optical state. In never has to take no physical form.<br><br>Sounds like good business!!!<br><br>interesting stuff....<br><br>Say if half life 2 did run on Linux (and it can through wine) then the thick drm<br>will prevent me from doing so because , I am not on windows. DRM - lock in.!<br><br>Laters,<br>Lee 'I am in DRM hell' <br><br><br><b><i>Arron M Finnon <afinnon@googlemail.com></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> not sure you would have much shout under the trade
description act,<br>however they maybe some weight under the formation of contract. Now i<br>couldn't and wouldn't give you legal advice, but if you think back to<br>our time in the law stint. <br><br>A contract, which is what happened when you purchased the software,<br>there has to be a meeting of the minds, namely you purchased the goods<br>under a certain condition that you understood. So if i said to you i<br>will sell you a vehicle, and you thought i meant a car, and i sell you a<br>van then the contract is null in void, due to the fact that when you<br>made the mental decision to purchase, you and i had no common<br>understanding of what the product will be. However in the same vein<br>it's going to be quite hard to argue, that firstly the product is not<br>what you thought you where buying, because in essence it is. The issue<br>is with terms that have been attached, to what legally speaking is their<br>intellectual property, they may also be able to argue
that you don't<br>physically own their software, but you are licensed to use their<br>software. In the same way that apple OS's is licensed to a single apple<br>labelled machine (which is why if you use a virtual machine, or squeeze<br>it on to AMD, or Intel machines your in breach of license, and why apple<br>machines all have an apple logo on it, well that and marketing, brand<br>awareness, blar blar blar, first rate marketing second rate products,<br>opps that just slipped out).<br><br>I don't think you would have much joy in pursuing a case, but like i say<br>this isn't sherrif finux's court and i don't offer legal advice. All<br>this to me is the point of campaigning why A) they should be selling<br>SAAS, which would mean you could complain about the level of service you<br>have received, and it not meeting your expectation at the time of<br>purchase, B) intellectually property should only be extended to artistic<br>works, not computing processes. In a fair world,
you want to be able to<br>buy software, and use it for a purpose you feel it is fit for, hang on<br>isn't that the whole FSF point.<br><br>Anyway, i imagine this has been as useful as a having driving cloves for<br>your feet.<br><br>f1Nux not driving with his feet, since monday night<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>dundee GNU/Linux Users Group mailing list<br>dundee@lists.lug.org.uk http://dundee.lug.org.uk<br>https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dundee<br>Chat on IRC, #tlug on dundee.lug.org.uk<br></blockquote><br><p> 
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