<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">well this thread is huge, so people must have something to say on this.<br><br>Me personally, for servers, I'd install openvz, it's awesome (thanks Gordon)...<br><br>then you can run everything , and all o/s at the same time!!!! :-)<br><br>need a squid server, just make one...<br><br>need a mail server, just make one...<br><br>one service..one machine... you don't need package management if all you have<br>is a kernel and a network 'service'. Job done, no more software conflicts?<br><br>need to upgrade, just copy the / to another directory, and boot up. upgrade and test.<br>working? no love lost.<br><br>performance? I get better performance with openvz then I do with a stock kernel!!!<br><br>I don't know why, but I do.<br><br>Finally use a network raid device (drdb) and you can get transparent mirroring!!!<br><br>I might even do a talk on this soon, either that
or gpxe/aoe stuff!!!!<br><br>Cheers,<br>Lee<br><br>--- On <b>Wed, 25/2/09, Robert Ladyman <i><it@file-away.co.uk></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">From: Robert Ladyman <it@file-away.co.uk><br>Subject: [dundee] Change of Distro - light blue touchpaper and retire<br>To: dundee@lists.lug.org.uk<br>Date: Wednesday, 25 February, 2009, 11:53 AM<br><br><pre>I think I have finally had enough of OpenSuse, discouraged by things like <br>refusing to fix Network manager's conflict with ppp and marking it as a <br>"WONTFIX" [fx offstage: sounds of hysterical laughter]; removal of<br>Webmin, <br>Realplayer, kjobviewer; smashing /etc/* config files and/or magically <br>generating them from some gui tool without telling you where THAT tool has its <br>config files [fx offstage: sounds of crying, smashing of keyboard]; making it <br>hard to derive a new distro; ignoring simple
user requests to fix minor bugs; <br>bizarre problems with HAL (also known as the Hardware Obstruction Layer) and <br>putting the "F" into "fdi"; not even having the GIMP in the<br>live-cd...grrr.<br><br>As I'm too lazy^H^H^H busy to do any research for myself (and seem to be a<br>bit <br>busy writing some gubbins about Squid for a bunch of sandal-wearing <br>linuxistas) and it's been a bad day AND the gout is playing up again <br>[ibuprofen and cocodamil for lunch, my favourite] perhaps some serious and <br>ideally, not-so-serious suggestions from you all would help.<br><br>My URS for a new distro is:-<br><br>- Must not commit any of the above distro-crimes;<br>- Must be KDE-friendly (Gnome is gnot for me);<br>- Must not be Ubuntu-derived (so kiss my shiny plastic mouse, Azmodie et al);<br>- Must have reasonably good package management (i.e. not like Linux From <br>Scratch*)...<br>- ...and that really means probably NOT rpm/hell package
management;<br>- Should be able to reasonably easily derive new distros / modified distros <br>from it;<br>- Should allow for installation of so-called 'restricted' or<br>patent-encumbered <br>software.<br>- Ideally, would be easily usable by she-who-must-be-obeyed / DFU's as<br>well;<br>Should be upgradable in-place**;<br><br>Does this just leave Slackware and Gentoo? <br>TayLix? TheLinuxSociety.iso? OldGitix? Suggestions, serious or otherwise <br>welcome (only physically possible ones from you *buntu users, please).<br><br>[Sits back, sips coffee, awaits flames]<br><br><br>* For those who don't know, LFS has the ultimate techie package management <br>solution. It hasn't got one.<br>** Yes, I too have suffered from the Mandrake/riva/OpenSuse "is this an <br>upgrade, if so abandon all hope of it working" installation check-box<br>which <br>basically results in having to install the system twice. Tra la la.<br>-- <br><br>Robert Ladyman<br>File-Away
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