How far away is "far far away"? :-)<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 12/05/2009, <b class="gmail_sendername">Digit (SG)</b> <<a href="mailto:digit.siljrath@googlemail.com">digit.siljrath@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0; margin-right: 0; margin-bottom: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-left: 0.80ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex">
<span class="q">"This is practically a talk - are you volunteering?"<br><br></span>if i was still in dundee, or moved back down there again, that'd likely be an affirmative (a "yeah sure"), but as it is... i just piggieback on your mailing list from far far away. hehe. guessing my physical presence would be required. maybe someday, once adequately provisioned....<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/5/11 Robert Ladyman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:it@file-away.co.uk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">it@file-away.co.uk</a>></span><div><span class="e" id="q_121357fc0d789a99_2"><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.80ex; padding-left: 1ex"> This is practically a talk - are you volunteering? (and that's a please).<br>
<div><div><br> On Sunday 10 May 2009 11:41:13 Digit (SG) wrote:<br> > hi dundo luggers. :)<br> ><br> > to respond to donna's inquiry regarding artists and floss...<br> ><br> > well, speaking as an artist,<br>
><br> > i "get" FLOSS ideology/methodology.<br> ><br> > but i also see the differences between art and software, and why there may<br> > be reluctance to release works of art under copyleftishness. software can<br>
> be so much more sterile and pragmatic, where works of art often have an<br> > even greater sentimental preciousness. artists can often be quite<br> > emotionally involved with their creations, where often, software is there<br>
> for the practical benefits it confers. thats not to say software is<br> > excluded from being artistic though.<br> ><br> > music seems to be leading the way a little further ahead than the visual<br> > arts, and i've no idea really where the rest (writing for example) fall<br>
> into the picture.<br> > services like <a href="http://www.jamendo.com/en/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.jamendo.com/en/</a> (which i intend to get around to<br>
> uploading loads of my stuff to) show how the principles so familiar to<br> > software creations can be applied to music creations.<br> ><br> > i think alot of artists are still stuck on bill gate's open letter to<br>
> hobbyists from the 70s (<br> > <a href="http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html</a> ), and i know why,<br>
> the need to eat food etc, and food being most readily available only with<br> > money, is quite the reinforcement of this.<br> ><br> > creative commons may think they are helping, but its a complex mine field<br>
> that can be a bit off-putting to those who have a sole focus in life to<br> > create (not to navigate legalities).<br> ><br> > it's something i'm striving towards solving, by cutting out the necessary<br>
> obliged financial outgoings, so that art can once again become detatched<br> > from profit motive, and all the great works of art, both complete and<br> > unfinished, horded by artists all over for sake of their future potential<br>
> financial riches, can become liberated and enter the public view, as well<br> > as the re-churning of ideas as best represented/protected by the likes of<br> > the GPL and FLOSSology.<br> ><br> > now i realise you may have only been meaning the topic here to be the<br>
> software side of it, but i see no foul in highlighting that the product of<br> > artist's creative endeavors could one day be as well shared and<br> > distributed, bazaar style, as software.<br> ><br> > "which one is it?"<br>
><br> > both. you already had your answer. some get it, some dont yet. some have<br> > all their stuff released freely in recognition that copyright is not only a<br> > farce, but illegal. some have never heard of richard stallman, and dont<br>
> yet realise that everytime they view a copyrighted content on a computer<br> > they are "breaking copyright".<br> ><br> > as powerful an allure photoshop has with all it's bells n whistles, i still<br>
> understand that the race is won by open source's exponentials, leaving the<br> > limitations of proprietary in the dust, and so i stick with the gimp.<br> > (excellent link from gordon the other day btw.)<br>
> better to be onboard earlier methinks, rather than waste time keeping<br> > one'self hog tied to being dumbed down by proprietary treating the end<br> > users like helpless noobs who need to keep suckling gratefully on the<br>
> proprietor's machinations (however alluring they may be).<br> ><br> > i actually tried going back to photoshop for a little taster recently after<br> > hearing my cousin rave on about it's wonders, and to my surprise, i felt<br>
> more at a loss for the features it didnt have than marveled at what it did.<br> > * cant help but think of sugar coated turds * so i stick with the gimp.<br> > no point either forking out hundreds, or breaking the law, just for a<br>
> couple of features, which are only likely to show up in gimp in a better<br> > developed form in good time. also, besides having a plateful to deal with<br> > already, theres nothing holding me back from learning what i need to to add<br>
> these features myself, gaining total control over my tool, tailoring it to<br> > my exacting needs. oh yes, i "get" FLOSS. full intent to be a greater<br> > contributor. full appreciation for the contributions of others to our<br>
> collective tools.<br> ><br> > anyway, that's about enough rambling on for now. :)<br> ><br> > -Digit.<br> ><br> > ps, i still have an idea on the backburner for a lightweight artist's<br> > distribution based on Slitaz, which i might have actually got around to<br>
> completing had my lenovo x60 not needed to go to the shop to be fixed<br> > again.<br> ><br> > pps, ya just have no idea how amazing blender is until you get through some<br> > tutorials. wow. seriously, wow. (that coming from someone trained in<br>
> softimage|xsi)<br> ><br> > 2009/5/8 Donna Holford-Lovell <<a href="mailto:d.holford-lovell@abertay.ac.uk" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">d.holford-lovell@abertay.ac.uk</a>><br>
><br> > > HI<br> > ><br> > > I have been thinking .... Which sometimes hurts.... You may know that I<br> > > have been looking at the ideology/methodology of FLOSS and applying this<br> > > to an art practice. I have had some excellent responses but I am still<br>
> > getting the impression that the art world are just not getting it.<br> > ><br> > > Obviously there are differing cultures and philosophies within the term<br> > > FLOSS but both could offer a very new and productive way of working<br>
> > within the art sector. Some in the art sector say that it already exists<br> > > in the practice and from the other camp that artists just don’t<br> > > understand. ???? My question is ‘which one is it’?<br>
> ><br> > > I was wondering if anyone was up for helping to organise a small series<br> > > of talks that would cover this area and go someway to clarifying it. Try<br> > > to come at from the philosophical side, yes the product is important but<br>
> > really try to understand its process. How can we learn and implement it<br> > > to other areas.<br> > ><br> > > We can run it at the HMC, maybe as part of the Linux meetings? Happy to<br> > > look at providing funding etc ..... Be good to hear your thoughts<br>
> ><br> > > Best Donna<br> > ><br> > ><br> > > ---------------------------------------------<br> > > *Donna Holford-Lovell<br> > > Cultural Projects Officer<br> > > *<br> > > University of Abertay Dundee<br>
> > Bell Street, Dundee, DD1 1HG<br> > > Tel: 0044 (1)382 308 777<br> > > <a href="http://www.abertay.ac.uk/exhibitions" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">www.abertay.ac.uk/exhibitions</a><br>
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