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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I relay Arrons thoughts, this a blow to the very fabric of the principles of the society, and our understandings when founding the society and establishing the relationship between taylug.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>An email has been sent to Student association president from me, so he’ll have an interesting read when he opens his inbox this morning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Will<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#002060'>William Cameron BSc (Hons), MCSA <br>Web Developer<br><br></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#002060'><img width=200 height=80 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.gif@01CC8F15.13A88C40" alt="Description: cid:image001.gif@01CBAE74.6789BAF0"><br></span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#002060'><br>MTC Media Ltd<br>Shed 26, Unit 35<br>City Quay<br>Dundee<br>DD1 3JA<br><br>t: +44 (0)844 804 2021<br>e: <u><a href="mailto:william.cameron@mtcmedia.co.uk%0b">william.cameron@mtcmedia.co.uk<br></a></u>w: <a href="http://www.mtcmedia.co.uk/" title="blocked::http://www.mtcmedia.co.uk/ http://www.mtcmedia.co.uk"><span style='color:#002060'>www.mtcmedia.co.uk</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#002060'>Registered in Scotland No. SC285534</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> dundee-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:dundee-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Arron 'Finux' Finnon<br><b>Sent:</b> 20 October 2011 10:19<br><b>To:</b> dundee@mailman.lug.org.uk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [dundee] What went on at the the SRC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>On 10/20/2011 09:38 AM, Robert Ladyman wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><pre>So, which of you are volunteering to be my "chaperones"? Perhaps we need a <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>list of beards for whom you can volunteer. A bit like care in the community <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>for us oldies.<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=MsoNormal>That's what freshers are for Bob :)<br><br>All joking aside ladies and gentlemen, this is a massive assault on the very fabric of the society. When me and the other founding officers started this society it was under the strict understanding that it be "open" to everyone and the we did not "discriminate" against individuals because they study at Abertay. This was widely accepted and welcomed by nearly all officers of the students association through the years until recently. <br><br>It is not a secret that the currently Vice-President sees none student members as an "issue". Some of you members who remember when we had the meetings in the HMC will recognise the new Vice-President of the student association as one of the door staff that use to give none-student members hassle at the door. The reason we moved to the main campus.<br><br>This is not just about getting lecturers to speak up, it is about the whole community speaking up. Abertay is part of the wider Dundee community, it is not its own eco-system. It draws money from the public purse, that the general public pay for from taxes. These members of the general public seem to be no longer welcome.<br><br>Do not kid yourselves here, EVERYONE that has ever benefited from the society needs now ask themselves this; "am i prepared not to say something". The none-student members, student members, and everyone connected with this society who wish to see it survive such an attack (i'll explain why i think this soon) need to help by letting the student association know what you think of this.<br><br>The student association executive officers are well aware of the benefits this society gives students; A public forum to practices speaking, regular networking with industry insiders, greater understanding of computer architecture and software, greater employability, and Abertay's name being held in national prestige. Let's not kid ourselves, we're about to watch a "award" winning computing university, have no "computing" society. If they do, it's close to being closed doors. They almost seem proud that they'd be a waiting list for members of the public to join. Can you imagine turning someone away just because we were a student short. If you do nothing this is something you could very well see. <br><br>This "attack" was a loop-hole, they knew they could not change the established constitution so they added a appendix with the criteria. They gave members of the SRC zero notice of such a massive vote, and did not back up their allegations. But lets follow this for a second though. If they argue that money disproportionately is going to none-student members (which it isn't), the society receives a £150 per annum, we have a ratio of 1:1 at the moment. They've done this to us for £75, and of course minus your yearly dues off that too. Of course i totally disagree with this, frankly i have never heard anything so absurd in all my life. When someone's hypothesis becomes reality without any form of questioning or scrutiny real problems happen. <br><br>So like i say, EVERYONE that wants to see the society here in 12 months time, then its time you ACTUALLY do something. Rebuilding taylug to be a regular meeting originations is an avenue well worthy of pursuing, however at the same time this issue must be brought to light. We must carry the touch, and we must let our feelings known. I see many of you regularly to know that this society is part of your life, and it is now fighting for its life. It needs your support.<br><br>As Ryan has suggested, and i strongly suggest please drop an email to the president of the students association asking questions and asking them to reconsider the massive implications of this. <br><br><a href="http://www.abertayunion.com/contactus/content/276953/student_exec/*%3Chttp:/www.abertayunion.com/contactus/content/276953/student_exec/">http://www.abertayunion.com/contactus/content/276953/student_exec/</a><br><br>Trolls need not apply!<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Arron "finux" Finnon<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Finux.co.uk - Twitter.com/f1nux - facebook.com/finux<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>NodeZero Linux Penetration Testing Distribution<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre><a href="mailto:finux@netinfinty.org">finux@netinfinty.org</a> - netinfinity.org<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>PGP: <a href="http://finux.co.uk/finux.asc">http://finux.co.uk/finux.asc</a><o:p></o:p></pre></div></body></html>