[ExeterLUG] Exeter Digest, Vol 72, Issue 8

Sun Mar 16 12:12:35 UTC 2014

Sorry everyone! I was not impressed when I realised what I'd asked Linkedin
to do!

Yours sincerely,
*Laura Freeman*

On 16 March 2014 12:00, <exeter-request at mailman.lug.org.uk> wrote:

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> From: Gordon Henderson <gordon+lug at drogon.net>
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> Subject: Re: [ExeterLUG] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn
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> On Sat, 15 Mar 2014, Laura S J Freeman wrote:
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> > LinkedIn
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> The dangers of auto-uploading your address book to Linked in. They own you
> now...
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> Gordon
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> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2014 11:20:07 +0000
> From: Mark Evans <mpe at anacon.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: exeter at mailman.lug.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [ExeterLUG] Schools/STEMnet/DBS checks
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> On 14/03/14 12:27, Gordon Henderson wrote:
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> > Just FYI, and for others on the list:
> >
> > As a STEMnet ambassador with a STEMnet issued DBS check, I would have to
> > apply for another DBS check to do any voluntary work in any Devon County
> > Council School.
> >
> > This applies to all STEMnet ambassadors with STEMnet issued DBS check
> > certificates for all Devon county council schools.
> >
> > I have had this confirmed by Phil Barrett, Team Leader Safer Recruitment
> > Service from Devon CC. (Who had never heard of STEMnet nor code club )-:
>
> Maybe you should send him the bill.
> >
> > I have asked STEMnet to look into this too.
> >
> > But DCCs stance is that the update service (which all STEMnet
> > ambassadors were encouraged to subscribe to) is nine months out of date
> > and therefore not acceptable for use in DCC. (I have asked the update
> > service for clarification on this)
>
> http://www.clerktogovernors.co.uk/dbs-checks-the-new-name-for-crb-checks/
>
> Has some interesting things to say on this matter.
>
> A question I have never received an adequate answer to is how
> Police/CRB/DBS checks can be applied to anyone from outside the UK.
>
> In the case of ISCA, St Lukes, St Peters, West Exe and Wynstream that a
> side effect of the PFI set up is to allow all sorts of people
> unconnected with either the school (or DCC) unsupervised access would
> seem to be far more of a concern than national educational initutives.
>
> > If West Exe is an academy school then they may have their own
> > guidelines, or they may simply defer back to DCCs rules. I'd need to
> > know before going on-site.
>
> It isn't even that simple. A school's status with an LEA can depend very
> much on its history.
> There's also the possible issue of "guidelines" being treated as
> "rules". Notwithstanding the maxim "Rules are for the guidance of the
> wise and the blind obedience of fools."
> >
> > I've just been through all this with another school I had volunteered to
> > help run code club with. Phil Barrett is adamant that I must re-submit
> > the data for another DBS check, however it means that that school will
> > have to pay for another DBS check for me.
>
> Or he's simply misinterpreting the "rules". Something which commonly
> happens with so called "jobsworths". (Even to the extent that such
> misinterpretations can be mutually exclusive with the actual
> rule/guideline in question.)
>
> > I have decided to refuse to go through the process again purely on the
> > grounds of unnecessary bureaucracy. (I've held an enhanced CRB/DBS check
> > certificates for the past 9 years so am hardly likely to fail - this is
> > purely a stance against the bureaucracy)
>
> There have been cases of people making multiple applications and getting
> different results back. Such systems will always generate "false
> positives". (Especially if there is a lack of an effective feedback
> mechanism to deal with these when the occur.)
>
> So far as "bureaucracy" goes the whole CRB/DBS probably isn't "fit for
> purpose" in the first place. Since the Bichard Inquiry seems to have
> been more concerned with Huntley's job in a school, which wasn't
> relevent in encountering his victims. Whilst ignoring Carr's behaviour,
> which directly lead to the victims going to Huntley's and Carr's home.
>
> (It's certainly not the only case of a system being put into place after
> something bad happening probably wouldn't have done much to prevent the
> whatever it was. Nor would be effective at preventing something similar
> happening in the future. The reason such systems can appear to "work" is
> that the nasty people they supposedly "target" are both incredibly rare
> and resourceful enough to commit some different, but equally, horrid
> crime.)
>
> Bruce Schneier coined the term "security theatre" to describe such
> things. About the only thing they can possibly do is make the ignorant
> feel better.
>
> IMHO the issue of staff who are "over-friendly" with their students has
> not really been addressed. Probably because it is difficult to know
> where to "draw a line" here. Even in cases where the staff and students
> do not have any interactions and connections outside the school.
> (Possibly teachers, especially women, raping teenagers is considered
> acceptable by the PtB. So they will only consider acting next time there
> is a murder. Most likely with a "more of the same" response. Rather than
> considering the actual effectivness of the CRB/DBS idea.)
>
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