On 21 June 2013 10:32, Ian Dickinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:i.j.dickinson@gmail.com" target="_blank">i.j.dickinson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">> Any attempt to 'take over' this */USER/* group for base socio-political<br>
> purposes will inevitably generate extremely irate comment from me.<br>
</div>Oh come on Martin, that's pure trolling (which I suspect you know full<br>
well!). This "group" is moribund, and has been for years. Check the<br>
archives. If anyone did want to take it over for any vaguely useful<br>
purpose, good luck to them I would say. However, that's not what Phil<br>
was suggesting, and labelling someone's actions as "base", whatever<br>
your view of the merits of their argument, is just being rude for no<br>
good purpose. Let's keep the debate civil.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I never suggested that Phil was trying to take over anything... I didn't like the tone of "<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Whether you realize it or not, by joining this list you declare yourself part of the team. What have you done for software freedom lately?"... </span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">This list is meant to be about those who use Linux being able to ask for help... there is no requirement for them to be running around fixing peoples' computers, contributing software patches to open source software or anything else.</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">If we ever are to get this list active again, then I think we have to make it clear that the list is open to ANYBODY who USES Linux, not just experts.</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Martin's LPI courses that he started at the ill-fated ICT Centre in Glastonbury showed that many of our group do not know a great deal about the workings of Linux, and that is fine -- the fact they use it is enough, if they want to learn more then there are people here who can help them do so.</span></div>
<div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">I think "checklists" are counter-productive... hence why I wrote what I did yesterday.</span></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
That said, I'm not particularly minded to blow my own trumpet about my<br>
own open-source contributions, etc, partly because it doesn't feel<br>
very British but mostly because I have few enough hours in the day<br>
left for eating and sleeping as it is.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>:-)</div><div><br></div><div>Sean</div></div>