[Gllug] Debian

David Damerell damerell at chiark.greenend.org.uk
Wed Oct 22 23:28:01 UTC 2003


On Wednesday, 22 Oct 2003, Mike Brodbelt wrote:
>When I stated using X as a desktop, the best thing about it was the
>choice of window managers. They all offered far more control than MS
>Windows does:-
>1/ Window stacking order decoupled from window focus
>2/ Sloppy focus
>3/ Virtual desktops (arranged in an arbitrary 2d grid, with mousing
>between them possible.
>4/ A bare environment - it was up to me to add whatever applets I wanted
>to the root window, showing stuff like mail, time, etc.
>5/ Network transparency
>Gnome and KDE work very hard to undermine all of those features,

I use bits of Gnome - the gnome-panel and a few applications. 1,2 and
3 never went away. 4 is still the case, it's just that one of those
things I add is the gnome-panel. 5 doesn't seem any less true.

>anything else, and don't understand the separation between windowing
>system, window manager, and toolkit.

Hold that thought, because right away you say:

>I went through fvwm, afterstep and WindowMaker, and finally settled on
>Enlightenment (which I'm still using). Enlightenment used to be regarded
>as the memory hog among window managers. It looks so modest compared to
>Gnome that it's not even funny.

That's because GNOME IS NOT A WINDOW MANAGER.

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