Harry et al,

I agree entirley with the opinion that CCNA, CCNP and CCIE are very good certs to have. HOWEVER, I came across a recruitment agency that asked not just if you had them but how you got the qualification. I sat a five day course with a CCIE teaching for five days. I have a friend who has had to do several weeks of lectures, practicals and exams BEFORE he can take the CCNA exam - I haven't taken it yet the token is still unused.

I think that some people are catching on to how techies obtain the qualifications/certs. I would certainly say that my friend has learned far more than me in the time he has spent preparing and the five days that I studied. 

Incidently, I only got on the course because I was asked what the 7 layers of the OSI model were. 

Just my two centimes worth.

Matt

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackson, Harry" <HJackson@colt-telecom.com>
To: "'gllug@linux.co.uk'" <gllug@linux.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 15:30:24 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: RE: [Gllug] Certification

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dean [mailto:dean.wilson3@virgin.net]
> > 
> > 
> > First of all I'd like to say that this isn't a call to have 
> > people argue over if certs have any relevance at all in the 
> > real world. We did that some months back (Harry's fault!) 
> > and got no where.
> 
> It was a legitimate question at the time and did lead to some very
> interesting points. Although my favourite thread has got to be Quals or
> Experience which was a very interesting read considering I do not have a
> degree.
> 
> 
> > 
> > What I'm trying to find out is if anyone on list has done any 
> > of the Linux based certs (Or even the more generic Unix ones 
> > to be honest) and what they thought of them in terms of coverage 
> > and why they took the courses that they did out of the available 
> > options.
> > 
> > The reason that I'm asking is that the company i work for is 
> > a Microsoft Solution provider/partner etc and we've been told
> > that all tech staff need at least an MCP and an MCSE would be
> > better. Despite the fact my job here is to look after Linux 
> > and HPUX boxes... While they are looking at things like this 
> > I'd like to throw something like SAIR or LPI certs at
> > them and watch their response. Only problem is i don't know 
> > anyone whos sat any of these... And thats where GLLUG comes in ;)
> 
> What about CCNA CCND etc etc these are much better quals than MS type ones
> because they are not so easy to pass. You at least need an understanding of
> Networks before taking them. If they say that this has no relevance on the
> MS stuff ask them why are we providing solutions to stand alone PC's. Most
> of the cisco stuff that you will learn can be used across a wide range of
> Jobs from network support to Analysis. You do not even need to be using
> Cisco equipment as what you learn would be quite relevant to most networks.
> I await a few flames on this one.
> 
> Harry
> 
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