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Hello all,<br>
<br>
I'm new to this list and since I don't have the time to go through all
of the many message, I choose to receive only the digests.<br>
<br>
However, this means that I invariably miss a lot of useful stuff, since
people often change the subject of discussion without changing the
subject of the email.<br>
<br>
I was thinking that the current message that seeks to address this
issue:<br>
<pre wrap="">When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Gllug digest..."</pre>
could be replaced with the simpler and more to the point:<br>
<pre wrap="">When you change the subject of discussion, please change the subject of the email.
Just a thought.
Best wishes,
Josef.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.uniteddiversity.com">http://www.uniteddiversity.com</a>
come together, have fun, share recources, save the world
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<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gllug-request@linux.co.uk">gllug-request@linux.co.uk</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="midE1ABwsN-0002gc-00@list.ftech.net">
<pre wrap="">Send Gllug mailing list submissions to
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When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Gllug digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Debian (Tethys)
2. RE: Debian (stanley)
3. Re: unknown ip of netgear printer server (Ian Norton)
4. Re: unknown ip of netgear printer server (Jack Bertram)
5. Re: unknown ip of netgear printer server (Jason Lambert)
6. Re: Debian (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:itsbruce@uklinux.net">itsbruce@uklinux.net</a>)
7. Re: unknown ip of netgear printer server (Christian Smith)
8. [OT] USB Network Print Server (Andy Farnsworth)
9. Re: [OT] USB Network Print Server (Daniel Andersson)
10. Re: unknown ip of netgear printer server (Ian Norton)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:10:53 +0100
From: Tethys <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tet@createservices.com"><tet@createservices.com></a>
Subject: Re: [Gllug] Debian
To: Greater London Linux Users Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gllug@linux.co.uk"><gllug@linux.co.uk></a>
Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:200310211110.h9LBArv5002677@isengard.accucard.com"><200310211110.h9LBArv5002677@isengard.accucard.com></a>
John Hearns writes:
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<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">On Tue, 21 Oct 2003, Simon Wilcox wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">they !). I had decided that I would try Debian on it as I am not happy
with the Redhat dependency issues that others have mentioned and wanted to
use the fabled Debian package management system.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">Why not use apt-for rpm then?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Not that it will necessarily help. Red Hat's dependecy problems are
non-existent. Up2date will resolve and dependencies just as apt will.
The problem is when people try and mix third party RPMs with the system
packages (for example with Ximian). That's not solvable with either apt
or up2date. It's solved by having a documented packaging policy that
third parties stick to. Debian does slightly better on that front,
partly as a consequence of having less third parties making packages
(because Debian includes more to start with).
Tet
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 12:43:14 +0100
From: "stanley" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stanley12@blueyonder.co.uk"><stanley12@blueyonder.co.uk></a>
Subject: RE: [Gllug] Debian
To: "Greater London Linux Users Group" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gllug@linux.co.uk"><gllug@linux.co.uk></a>
Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:PIEHJIEHDBPCHIJDFIGLCEFECAAA.stanley12@blueyonder.co.uk"><PIEHJIEHDBPCHIJDFIGLCEFECAAA.stanley12@blueyonder.co.uk></a>
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<pre wrap="">Maybe RH, Debian, Suse et alia should be parachuted
into the Isle
of Mull, and not let off until a team of 100 ramdomly
selected
newbies can install their products unaided.
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">With the greatest of respect, I think you are wrong.
Jon 'Maddog' Hall came to talk at GLLUG three or four years ago.
If you weren't there, I'm sure you all know who I mean.
If you don't, do a quick Google.
Maddog said that he knew Linux had 'arrived' the day that his
local LUG conducted an experiment. They put a distro CD into a PC,
and simply kept hitting return. After a few returns, they had a fully
installed and functioning Linux system.
So sorry, I do think Linux has already passed this test.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
Have been through this whole process this weekend (a very dead partition
system caused by windows) installing win 98, win XP, Redhat9 and SuSE 8.1. I
can honestly say that, certianly both those distributions of linux, are all
exactly the same to install, but the linux insatllers do have one thing
going for them, they give you a much better idea that something is happening
while still in a lovely looking GUI, unlike widows with its loading bar,
that can some times look like its crashed.
Can't comment about the dabian installer as I have not gone that far yet,
but it is one of the next things on my list to try.
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 14:13:39 +0100
From: Ian Norton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bredroll@darkspace.org.uk"><bredroll@darkspace.org.uk></a>
Subject: Re: [Gllug] unknown ip of netgear printer server
To: Greater London Linux Users Group <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gllug@linux.co.uk"><gllug@linux.co.uk></a>
Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:20031021131339.GA7390@earth.darkspace.org.uk"><20031021131339.GA7390@earth.darkspace.org.uk></a>
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using tcp dump, we get absolutly no traffic whatsoever during power up,
i might try it when i plug in a printer aswell,
Ian
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 09:36:43AM +0100, Simon Morris wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 10:16, Ian Norton wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">Hi everyone
we just recieved a netgear ps113 printer server from ebay, it kind of seems
happy, it lights up, rx blinks when you push packets at it over a crossover or
hub etc.
however,
it does seem, that either it is totally useless and infact is dead, or that its
previous owner has set it's IP to some really obscure one.
the unit has also had its identification sticker removed :-/ (some idiots in
the world) which means we dont know the mac.
any ideas for finding its ip? or its mac?
Ian
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">How about using a crossover cable onto your PC and use Ethereal or
another packet sniffer to have a look at what happens when you start the
Print server.
It should check that it's IP address is unique when the device starts
which may help you.
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Simon Morris <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simon.morris@westbourne-terrace.com"><simon.morris@westbourne-terrace.com></a>
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