<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 5:11 PM, william pink <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:will.pink@gmail.com">will.pink@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Hari Sekhon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hpsekhon@googlemail.com" target="_blank">hpsekhon@googlemail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>william pink wrote:<br>
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> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Hari Sekhon <<a href="mailto:hpsekhon@googlemail.com" target="_blank">hpsekhon@googlemail.com</a><br>
</div><div><div></div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:hpsekhon@googlemail.com" target="_blank">hpsekhon@googlemail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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> David Damerell wrote:<br>
> > On Sunday, 5 Jul 2009, Nix wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> It doesn't seem to happen on this list, but I've seen, fairly<br>
> >> frequently, Debian-obsessed people (never or rarely Debian<br>
> developers)<br>
> >> act exactly like that: Debian is perfect, Ubuntu is lower that the<br>
> >> dogs... this is plainly a silly attitude.<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> > Straw men aside, I think the real attitude here is that Ubuntu have<br>
> > managed to make a mess of a lot of the things that made Debian good,<br>
> > and that this means it is not particularly useful. I don't think<br>
> > that's a particularly silly attitude.<br>
> ><br>
> If someone were to say that Ubuntu was a Noob's distribution, I<br>
> wouldn't<br>
> bothering correcting them for the [0-9]% exception rate.<br>
><br>
> I am warming to Ubuntu a little after years of defiant resistance, but<br>
> Redhat still rules the roost and I don't see how or why any credible<br>
> shops would go Ubuntu. It's only little web2.0 startups without<br>
> significant expertise that are using it from what I can tell of<br>
> the job<br>
> market.<br>
><br>
> In my experience ubuntu servers actually have too many non-security<br>
> updates which is a mistake for a server distro as this causes alerts,<br>
> and wastes admin time with patching. I'm yet to hear a very<br>
> experienced<br>
> and highly skilled person to recommend ubuntu for servers (because<br>
> they<br>
> should know better).<br>
><br>
> -h<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Hari Sekhon<br>
> <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/harisekhon" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/harisekhon</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
</div></div><div>> I use Ubuntu Ubuntu 8.04.1 Server for all servers and have no problems<br>
> what so ever so I would like to know why you think I should know<br>
> better, as your linkedin says you would like to pursue skills in<br>
> Windows 2008 / Exchange 2007 which makes me doubt the credibility of<br>
> your reply somewhat ;)<br>
><br>
> If only people could explain themselves more it wouldn't make them<br>
> look like such buffoons.<br>
><br>
> W<br>
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</div>Will, that's actually a bit dated, the rest of it is more interesting,<br>
but I am an IT professional and if companies will run things like that<br>
then I have to accept that and learn them too... even if they are not as<br>
interesting as the rest of the things that I do, if you read the rest of<br>
my profile...<br>
<br>
Anyway, personal attacks aside, (which usually indicate a losing<br>
argument) I guess the rest of the world running redhat must simply not<br>
know what they are doing...<br>
<br>
I used to think this way years ago, boy was I anti-redhat despite it<br>
being one of my first distros and pro debian/gentoo etc. but as<br>
scalability grows, redhat/centos has worked best with automation,<br>
stability and scalability of infrastructure based on my experience in<br>
the last several years. This is a view I once contested from another<br>
senior engineer working at Rackspace that I happened to meet on the bus<br>
one day in London, but that was when I was much less experienced, so I<br>
eventually grew up and realized what he was talking about, which sounds<br>
like the stage you're at.<br>
<br>
I've given a very reasonable view based on market observations as well<br>
as my own experience. If you don't value the latter, then you should at<br>
least value the former unless you think you smarter than the rest of the<br>
world in which case nobody can help you.<br>
<br>
I know this is Glugg, but let's try to play nice...<br>
<div><div></div><div><br>
-h<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div><div><br>It was more a humorous personal attack and no way a spiteful one, I did read most of <br>your profile and was very much impressed.<br><br>I am in no way anti-redhat I used to be administer a cluster of Redhat ES4 nodes and my background<br>
initially was Redhat/CentOS/Fedora and that suited me fine, when I started this job it was very much a Ubuntu/Debian shop purely <br>out of personal preference from the previous administrator and by that time I was a heavy user of Ubuntu so<br>
I carried on that trend. I think I would be happy with a Redhat deriative or a Debian deriative and I have no<br>regrets choosing Ubuntu it does everything I require which I am sure Redhat would do to but I personally don't think it could do it any better.<br>
<br>Going from that point of market observation then I should be using Windows should I not? I choose to use Debian on my <br>Desktop because its what I prefer not because someone said I must use X, Y or Z because everyone else is. From a web server market OS view<br>
I would certainly be very surprised if the majority was Redhat to be honest (I am willing to accept this with proof though)<br><br>If we all used all the same distro it would certainly be a boring old LUG thats for sure<br>
<br>W </div></div></blockquote><div><br>Also apologies to Isabella and welcome to the LUG<br><br>W<br></div></div><br>