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> thought that it might work anyway because what you'll get is "herefordshire [penguin > logo]" which might be clear to a fair number of people that it is a lug.<BR>
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I agree, very fair comment, I certainly would get this point visually, and so would a great many others. But I have taken an interest in PC's etc. etc. including Linux (though I am only just starting to try to use it) for many years. <BR>
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Noting your "might be", and "a fair number of people" are these sufficient? The logo is a sort of "advertising", it should carry various messages.<BR>
Without being excessive in any way, it should strive to reach everyone, every last person it can, very well.<BR>
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Not only with its explicit message about what the site is, but also with the more subtle messages carried by clarity and excellence (and please note I don't wish to offend in any way, in my view the logo would be fine as it is, I am making suggestions for the group to consider, as to whether a slight tweak or two would marginally improve it).<BR>
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Whatver its "messages" are (and this is a matter for the entire group or at least anyone who is bothered) these messages should reach those who are less interested, less alert etc. Even if they don't choose to look further at the site or at Linux they should have, perhaps only subconsciously, noted that everything to do with Linux seems to be attractive and positive and extremely well executed etc. Not that it is - but shouldn't that be its aim?<BR>
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Bear in mind that Linux is at a stage where it is starting to appeal to a wider spectrum and, I think, has reached or very nearly reached a stage of development, with gui's and automation of configuration tasks, where it is suitable for less able and less interested users. Some of these will be trying to make their way alone, under stress, in a hurry etc. Picture a nIt is spreading from the highly motivated etc. to those who just want to use a computer for the usual simple tasks. Think of the retail sites who lose a percentage of potential customers with every extra click that has to be made on their sites. Linux loses a percentage of converts with every bit of hassle. At an extreme, perhaps someone in a far continent who hasn't heard of Herefordshire, and hardly speaks English, is browsing around struggling to fix a problem at three in the morning. How well will HLUG's site work for them?<BR>
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Lastly, re the "image of Linux" thing, I think the consideration of the visually handicapped aspect should be noted including because this is becoming more of a requirement for commercial sites, thus will be more noted, so though there may not be a legal etc. requirement it may attract more attention and criticism as time passes. So criticism and the need to change in future might be avoided<BR>
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Sorry not to write this more clearly and politely, All the best, Edward<BR>
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