From Chris.Hall at skanco.co.uk Tue Jan 21 16:05:01 2003 From: Chris.Hall at skanco.co.uk (Chris Hall) Date: Tue Jan 21 16:05:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] New Message-ID: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C157.F3640890 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I'm new to the whole LUG thing, been using Linux about 8 mths and I won't go back to Bill unless I am dragged kicking and screaming. Mainly into sorting my machine to be as good as (better really) Windows desktop equivalent. Can do most everything I need to, although DVD is still a bit of a challenge as far as encryption goes (Xine won't play my English DVD's - how weird is that? CSS encryption it won't do.) Have got libdvdread and libdvdcss and installed them but I don't know if they require linking into another folder or whether the /usr/lib it has put them in is right. Any ideas would be nice. Anyway, just wanted to make myself known and I am happy to help anyone with a query if I know the answer. Cheers Chris **************************************************************************** DISCLAIMER: This email is confidential and contains information some or all of which may be legally privileged for the intended recipient only. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender. You must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or rely on the stated or implied contents.The email and any attachments have been scanned for viruses by Skanco Business Systems, however we cannot guarantee that emails do not contain a virus. Any prices quoted in this email are subject to our normal Terms and Conditions which are available on request. Please visit www.skanco.co.uk for contact information. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C157.F3640890 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi, I'm new to the whole LUG thing, been using Linux about 8 mths and I won't go back to Bill = unless I am dragged kicking and screaming.  Mainly into sorting my machine to be as good as (better really) = Windows desktop equivalent.  Can = do most everything I need to, although DVD is still a bit of a challenge as far = as encryption goes (Xine won't play my English = DVD's - how weird is that?  CSS = encryption it won't do.)  Have got = libdvdread and libdvdcss and installed them but I don't know if they require linking into another folder or whether the /usr/lib it has put them in is right.  Any ideas would be = nice.

 

Anyway, just wanted to make myself known and I am = happy to help anyone with a query if I know the answer. 

 

Cheers

 

Chris

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C2C157.F3640890-- From c.bryden at virgin.net Wed Jan 22 01:07:00 2003 From: c.bryden at virgin.net (Chris Bryden) Date: Wed Jan 22 01:07:00 2003 Subject: [IOML] New In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20030122005822.02a82cb8@mail.virgin.net> At 14:18 21/01/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi, I'm new to the whole LUG thing, been using Linux about 8 mths and I >won't go back to Bill unless I am dragged kicking and screaming. Mainly >into sorting my machine to be as good as (better really) Windows desktop >equivalent. Can do most everything I need to, although DVD is still a bit >of a challenge as far as encryption goes (Xine won't play my English DVD's >- how weird is that? CSS encryption it won't do.) Have got libdvdread >and libdvdcss and installed them but I don't know if they require linking >into another folder or whether the /usr/lib it has put them in is >right. Any ideas would be nice. > > > >Anyway, just wanted to make myself known and I am happy to help anyone >with a query if I know the answer. > > Hi Chris, I don't really use Xine - I use mplayer compiled from source which plays DVDs no problem, so I'm not certain, but I had a quick hunt around, and found this in the Xine howto that might be of some help... http://dvd.sourceforge.net/xine-howto/en_GB/html/howto-5.html#ss5.3 DeCSS info may be a bit thin on the ground as everyone is a bit scared of the DMCA after what happened to Skylarov... Chris -- Stay up late. Stuff @ http://www.neonbox.net PK @ http://www.neonbox.net/key.asc and http://www.keyserver.net Fingerprint: 8003 E6DA 8C67 BE2F 36A7 7391 F5FD 31A9 9C2E 026D From dan_a at manx.net Wed Jan 22 09:55:01 2003 From: dan_a at manx.net (Daniel Ankers) Date: Wed Jan 22 09:55:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] New References: Message-ID: <3E2E6A32.7090104@manx.net> Chris Hall wrote: > Hi, I'm new to the whole LUG thing, been using Linux about 8 mths and > I won't go back to Bill unless I am dragged kicking and screaming. > Mainly into sorting my machine to be as good as (better really) > Windows desktop equivalent. Can do most everything I need to, > although DVD is still a bit of a challenge as far as encryption goes > (Xine won't play my English DVD's - how weird is that? CSS encryption > it won't do.) Have got libdvdread and libdvdcss and installed them > but I don't know if they require linking into another folder or > whether the /usr/lib it has put them in is right. Any ideas would be > nice. > > > > Anyway, just wanted to make myself known and I am happy to help anyone > with a query if I know the answer. > > > > Cheers > > > > Chris > Hi Chris, Which distribution are you running? Most of them have some way of installing decss easily. You can check which libraries Xine is linked against by doing ldd `which xine` (The backticks are from the key next to "1" on the keyboard.) Dan From dyls at dylansmith.co.im Wed Jan 22 18:00:01 2003 From: dyls at dylansmith.co.im (Dylan Smith) Date: Wed Jan 22 18:00:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] New In-Reply-To: <3E2E6A32.7090104@manx.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Daniel Ankers wrote: > ldd `which xine` I think xine can also take plugins at runtime, too. I've not played DVDs on my computer for a long time, so I don't know if there's a specific one for xine, but http://www.xine.org should be helpful. Also http://www.linuxvideo.org (LiViD project homepage). -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man | Code fast, crash young and Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net | leave a beautiful core. FFE/Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net | -- JK (#afe) From dyls at dylansmith.co.im Thu Jan 23 18:18:01 2003 From: dyls at dylansmith.co.im (Dylan Smith) Date: Thu Jan 23 18:18:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] RedHat 8.0 - Impressions Message-ID: All, I've been running RH 8.0 since not long after it came out. Here are my impressions of the latest version of the distro: On the plus side, it's very polished. The controversy over KDE and Gnome being made to look 'the same' is a tempest in a teacup - I think it enhances the distro to have some consistency over KDE and Gnome apps. You can now choose your favorites from either without getting an odd-looking desktop. I tend to prefer KDE myself (nicer terminal, and I think Konqueror rocks as a web-browser). It's still not really a consumer level OS, although it's getting close. If I was starting a new office, or thinking of upgrading an existing one from old MS stuff (Win98 with older versions of Office), I'd be very happy installing RH 8.0 and I'd be confident that users could cope quite happily. The install is smooth, and RH seems great at picking up all the common devices (importantly, printing, which Unixes have always been a bit weak at. Printing on commodity hardware such as HP Deskjets trouble-free is pretty important if you want to use something on the desktop). There are some issues that require a knowledgable user - getting my GeForce 4 drivers installed required procedures that a typical non-technical Windows user would have trouble with. Also, it didn't quite get my sound card right - something I could fix myself easily, but a non-technical user would be stuck on. Of course, it's still a fabulous server OS. You still have the option of running without any kind of GUI at all, and with careful selection of install packages, you can easily configure a reasonably lightweight install for servers. Things that they got wrong - if you've ever done any serious study of UI design, you may have come across Schneiderman's 8 Golden Rules of user interface design. RH 8.0 breaks one of these badly - it does not give any sort of effective feedback on application launching. I'm seeing how my Dad (who is very much non-technical if it's not a motorbike) copes with RH8.0, and the lack of feedback when launching applications has meant he's been manically double-clicking on icons thinking the app's not launching, and then suddenly getting about 7 instances of a window (usually the web-browser) showing up. This can be fixed by switching to KDE and enabling launch feedback (on RH 7.3, launch feedback was on by default!) so RedHat have definitely regressed here since RH 7.3. I think this is very important, especially for non-technical users who won't know where to go or what to do to switch launch feedback on. This is the first RH distro to come with OpenOffice, and I'm impressed. It doesn't quite launch as fast as MS Office (but then again, MS Office loads a big chunk of itself into memory when you boot a Windows system with it on) but it has all the features I need. If someone emails you a Word .doc file, OO will open it, and for the vast majority of .doc files, format it correctly. You can also save as Word .doc if you need to send a file to a MS Office user. OO's native format is XML based, which has nice scripting possibilities. One thing to watch out for - XMMS in this distro is unable to play .mp3 files out of the box (RH removed .mp3 due to patent issues). This is easy enough to fix by going to xmms.org and getting the rpm with .mp3 support. Again, this will stump a non-technical user. In summary - strong as always on the server end, and now a real contender on the desktop end. Easy to install, good device support, but they still need to do some work! -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man | Code fast, crash young and Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net | leave a beautiful core. FFE/Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net | -- JK (#afe) From tony at ayreonline.co.uk Thu Jan 23 21:24:01 2003 From: tony at ayreonline.co.uk (Tony Ayre) Date: Thu Jan 23 21:24:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] Forums site available for IOM LUG members. Message-ID: <000801c2c325$29caad70$980989d5@24laptop> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2C325.280AFC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If anyone in the LUG would like to have a forum at my site they can. It = is all free. The address is: www.ayreonline.co.uk Just leave a message on the site somewhere (either in the Guestbook or = the Forums.) I will create forums for anyone who asks, they will be assigned as the = Moderator as soon as they have a username also. Cheers. Tony ps. I do not get anything from this, i just think it is helpful for = there to be a history of discussion relating to this list.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2C325.280AFC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If anyone in the LUG would like to have = a forum at=20 my site they can. It is all free. The address is:
 
www.ayreonline.co.uk
 
Just leave a message on the site = somewhere (either=20 in the Guestbook or the Forums.)
 
I will create forums for anyone who = asks, they will=20 be assigned as the Moderator as soon as they have a username = also.
 
Cheers.
Tony
 
ps. I do not get anything from this, i = just think=20 it is helpful for there to be a history of discussion relating to this = list.=20
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2C325.280AFC10-- From tony at ayreonline.co.uk Fri Jan 24 17:59:01 2003 From: tony at ayreonline.co.uk (Tony Ayre) Date: Fri Jan 24 17:59:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] Password to IOM LUG Forum Message-ID: <000801c2c326$bcd6ea10$980989d5@24laptop> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2C326.BB3EE4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have created a forum for the LUG users to use. The password is:=20 lugiom All members of this lug can sign up and use the password to use the = forum. Cheers Tony Ayre http://www.ayreonline.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2C326.BB3EE4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have created a forum for the LUG = users to use.=20 The password is:
 
lugiom
 
All members of this lug can sign up and = use the=20 password to use the forum.
 
Cheers
Tony Ayre
 
http://www.ayreonline.co.uk
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2C326.BB3EE4F0-- From dyls at dylansmith.co.im Fri Jan 24 20:02:01 2003 From: dyls at dylansmith.co.im (Dylan Smith) Date: Fri Jan 24 20:02:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] Linux shell accounts Message-ID: All, In the continuing spirit of random-acts-of-kindness, if any IOM LUG member wants a shell account on one of my servers, drop me an email. You can use it to host a website, get your email from anywhere with nothing more than an ssh client (or telnet if you're an insecure sort of person ) or run server processes, or access the newsgroups from anywhere with a decent terminal-based newsreader etc. The system has more internet connectivity than the network card can handle, so speed isn't an issue :-) cheers. -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man | Code fast, crash young and Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net | leave a beautiful core. FFE/Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net | -- JK (#afe) From pr at fosdem.org Mon Jan 27 17:05:27 2003 From: pr at fosdem.org (Damien Sandras) Date: Mon Jan 27 17:05:27 2003 Subject: [IOML] Invitation to FOSDEM 2003 Message-ID: Hi, The purpose of this e-mail is to invite you to attend to the 3rd edition of FOSDEM. This edition will take place on the 8th and 9th of February 2003 in Brussels (see http://www.fosdem.org for more info). The previous editions encountered a huge success. More than 1600 people attended to presentations given by well-known speakers such as Richard Stallman, Miguel De Icaza, DJ Adams, Philip Hazel in 2002, and FOSDEM 2003 will try to be even more successful thanks to numerous presentations done by programmers of leading Open Source and Free Software projects. This year, will be present (in alphabetical order): Ann Harrison - Firebird : an Open Source database based on the InterBase(r) Brian King - Mozilla Bruce Momjian - PostgreSQL Core Developer Bruno Coudoin - Author of GCompris Clif Flynt - Tcl/Tk Damien Sandras - GnomeMeeting author David Axmark - MySQL developer David Faure - KDE Core Developer Guenter Bartsch - Author of xine Harald Welte - Member of the Netfilter Core Team Havoc Pennington - GNOME Foundation, Free Standards Hilaire Fernandes - Author of DrGenius Jakub Steiner - Author of many of the GTK 2.x stock icons, Gimp tutorial Jon 'Maddog' Hall - Executive Director of Linux International Julian Smart - Author of wxWindows Michael Meeks - GNOME Core developer Owen Taylor - Maintainer of GTK+ Raphael Hertzog - Author of Debian-Edu Richard M Stallman - Leader of the FSF Solar Designer - Author of Openwall GNU/*/Linux Thomas Vander Stichele - GStreamer Developer Yoann Vandoorselaere & Laurent Oudot - Prelude-IDS authors And many others, ... Several Free or Open Source Software projects have decided to hold a meeting during FOSDEM. It is a great occasion to meet core developers from GNOME, GNUstep, KDE, Mozilla, embedded software and PostgreSQL. Moreover, the Free Software Award will be handed out during the FOSDEM 2003 by Richard Stallman and other members from the Free Software Foundation. FOSDEM's goal is to provide Free Software and Open Source developers and communities the opportunity to learn and discuss the latest developments in the Free and Open Source arena and to promote the development of Free and Open Source solutions. The speakers mainly talk about technologies and make technical speeches. The event is totally free, but we encourage you to support FOSDEM if you appreciate the event and want it to continue in the same spirit. More information about the FOSDEM support operation at: http://www.fosdem.org/index/support/ We hope to see you there. -- FOSDEM 2003 Damien Sandras Community Contact From dan at draglamps.org.uk Tue Jan 28 21:08:01 2003 From: dan at draglamps.org.uk (Daniel Ankers) Date: Tue Jan 28 21:08:01 2003 Subject: [IOML] Linux for music Message-ID: <200301282117.17411.dan@draglamps.org.uk> Hi all, Is anyone using Linux for making music? I'm planning on putting DeMuDi (www.agnula.org) on one of my machines at some point in the future, so if there's anyone else interested in that kind of thing I'll do a brief review. If not, I'll just use the time to make music with it ;-) Dan From dyls at dylansmith.co.im Wed Jan 29 07:51:02 2003 From: dyls at dylansmith.co.im (Dylan Smith) Date: Wed Jan 29 07:51:02 2003 Subject: [IOML] Linux for music In-Reply-To: <200301282117.17411.dan@draglamps.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Daniel Ankers wrote: > Hi all, > > Is anyone using Linux for making music? I'm planning on putting DeMuDi > (www.agnula.org) on one of my machines at some point in the future, so if > there's anyone else interested in that kind of thing I'll do a brief review. No, not at the moment...but I do have a Roland A90 keyboard + a Linux box. Once I move out of my Dad's house I might get the time (and space!) to have the kit permanently set up (currently, having to move a *heavy* keyboard around and make what can only be described as a "longtail nest" on the top floor, then get moaned at about the mess is kind of discouraging ) So yes, I'd like to hear how you get on with it (pun intended). -- Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man | Code fast, crash young and Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net | leave a beautiful core. FFE/Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net | -- JK (#afe)