On 20/04/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Karl Lattimer</b> <<a href="mailto:karl@nncc.info">karl@nncc.info</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br>> People seem to misunderstand Gentoo and the compiling process, only<br>> processors that are faulty would have any problem with the<br>> compilations, processor's designs have to complete stress tests before
<br>> being made and leaving the factory which is far in excess of any<br>> stress made with everyday compilation.<br><br>agreed, but on laptops with bad heat management, the 24hour burnin done<br>by chip producers isn't going to help if for example you have a Dell
<br>latitude (the one responsible for penile third degree burns on one<br>professor), you go away amusing yourself come back, with a small fire<br>kindling where your laptop was.</blockquote><div><br>Buy shit laptops, expect problems. It is the same as anything
<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">BTW: I don't misunderstand, I understand it perfectly, I just can't see<br>
the logic.</blockquote><div><br>People who misunderstand *always* fail to see the logic.<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> Gentoo is about choice, choosing how you want your system to be built<br>> and how you want it to work and as such it is only for the enthusiast<br>> and professional. If you like tinkering about with your system and
<br>> learning how everything works then it is great but for those who dont<br>> it is not worth the trouble.<br><br>Thank you! it is therefore hackish!</blockquote><div><br>So people who like Lego are hackish?<br>
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> If you like everything to "just Work"(tm) then either use Windows or
<br>> Mandriva.<br><br>Ouch, please don't say that out loud.</blockquote><div><br>Well there is "just Work" and "i want to make it work". <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> On the other hand gentoo and it's "hardened" project is used<br>> extensively for mission critical servers because of the ability to<br>> streamline it's deployment to suit any job.<br><br>I don't agree that its ideal for this situation, I can imagine there
<br>being many issues surrounding it, every user of gentoo I know has had<br>some horror stories related to it, which haven't happened to me.</blockquote><div><br>The reason for Gentoo as a mission critical servers is because most are set up (how the admin wants it not how another admin *expects* it to be) and then left. Years in the future when things need updating you often need to change the distro edition which is a mission, with gentoo all you need to do is change the profile and emerge -uDv world
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I don't think its hardened at all, i think its malleable, pliable, and<br>flexible. I see its reasoning, but seriously, I don't have that time on
<br>my hands. You can't be both flexible and hardened, it simply doesn't<br>work, hardening of software or operating environment is a process of<br>reducing the system to a set of lowest common denominators where<br>something can go wrong, therefore reducing risk, stabalising by reducing
<br>complexity and making it easy to debug. I don't disagree that you can<br>harden gentoo, but i don't think its hardened. CentOS, wbel, rhel are<br>hardened, aswell as suse enterprise etc... these are what I call<br>hardened environments as a company has put time effort and swathes of
<br>cash at making them that way, with some of the best OS developers in the<br>world.</blockquote><div><br> You misunderstand, "Hardened Gentoo" is a seperate form of gentoo made specifically for enterprise environments. It is designed to work with such things as SELinux, PAX and RSBAC. It creates a complete hardened environment including kernel and toolchain, way in excess of CentOS, wbel and SuSE have.
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