On 21/04/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Karl Lattimer</b> <<a href="mailto:karl@nncc.info">karl@nncc.info</a>> wrote:<span class="gmail_quote"></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>Telling me that I'm not aware of something I am aware of is pretty<br>arrogant, its like telling someone they're wrong when their opinion is<br>different. Oh you did that one too.</blockquote><div><br>
You continued to say that you couldn't see why people used it as a
desktop or as a server, that shows that you were unaware of it's
benefits to people doing both. <br>
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</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Wrong is saying 2 + 2 = 5<br><br>An opinion which some could agree or disagree with is like saying,
<br>George Bush is an intelligent well educated man.<br><br>Can you understand the difference?</blockquote><div><br>
Of course, tell me where i misunderstood.<br>
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</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hmm, /var/log/messages, /var/log/maillog, I can debug pretty much any<br>problem on a fedora server using one of those two files in about 30
<br>seconds. The builds never have issues because they're tested first, and<br>they are tested more than any other distro, this is called quality<br>control, if it goes wrong for one, its gonna go wrong for fifty so lets<br>
make sure it doesn't.</blockquote><div><br>
Good god, that is so unlike any other distro...<br>
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You can debug from any message file but if you have just edited your
config files by hand rather than through a program it makes it easier
because you know which have been modified in certain ways and which
havent.<br>
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<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">If something goes wrong, what makes you think that because its your<br>fault it'll be easier to trace?
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Well i suppose *everything* that goes wrong is your fault but when it
is directly caused by your actions changing certain configs then it is
easier to narrow it down.<div><div><br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> Anyone who uses Fedora for anything mission critical needs their head
<br>> examining. Why use a testbed for anything mission critical? Duhhhhhhh.<br>><br><br>Fedora isn't a testbed, its a distribution, it is used to test<br>technology for downstream RHEL, this does not mean that is its sole
<br>purpose, its a fully functional OS on its own which is community<br>managed.</blockquote><div><br>You think Red Hat gives a crap? They are taking over full control of fedora remember and abandoning the autonomous non-profit Fedora foundation.
<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Fedora is incredibly stable, more so than Gentoo, LFS, or slackware, its<br>
ideal for servers because it is built on the core technology of redhat<br>and contributes back to the redhat install base. Not only that but it<br>has a corporate style release planning, which means everyone involved<br>paddles in the same direction.
</blockquote><div><br>Gentoo is as stable as you make it, Fedora is as stable as they make it.<br> <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Before you make sweeping statements about something you don't know much<br>about followed by a "Duhhhhhhh", make sure you're correct of your facts.<br>Fedora probably the most stable and well managed distribution out there.
<br>The fact that it is more server orientated than say SuSE or ubuntu means<br>that fewer desktop users use it, but it still has a solid base, the<br>oldest linux distribution!</blockquote><div><br>All the ambiguious comments in the world wont make the fact that Red Hat uses Fedora for it's own uses disappear. In order to maintain non-profit status, a third of the Fedora
Foundation's money would have to come directly from public
sources and Red Hat says that isn't feasable.<br><br>It is still only as stable as Red Hat wishes it to be and Red Hat will determine the direction and length of the testing procedures. I'm not saying they are bad, just that a distro without that is able to change it's own destiny to suit it's community alot better.
<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">And try and use some neticate rather than childish rants.<br><br>> You dont see the logic of using it as a desktop but you see it as a
<br>> tinkering device... So you *do* see the logic then? lol<br><br>I see a use, an application for the technology, not the logic of using<br>it on the desktop.</blockquote><div><br>You say that you can see the use for tinkering but not on the desktop... About 4 people here said they like to tinker with their desktop... Work the rest out for yourself.
<br></div><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I don't like to tinker with my desktop, I like to use it, I like to<br>tinker less with my laptop, as when I'm out and about working with
<br>someone I don't want to have to start hacking at the OS to get it to<br>work right.</blockquote><div><br>I agree, sometimes i want things to just work and my gentoo box does "just work" but it took about 3 days to get it just how i like it. I have an old powerbook and the worst distro to put on that would be gentoo, that runs ubuntu because tinkering with it would take too long.
<br></div><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">PS, I'm not gonna keep winding you up, I've had my fun examining the<br>over zealous nature of gentoo users. Its funny, I can remember having
<br>even more heated arguments over mailx vs. xmail with a debian user who<br>would argue I'm wrong because I thought it didn't matter too much that<br>one of them was closed source and free and the other was open source.
<br>This kind of zealotry is bad for linux, you only want to see people<br>using gentoo, then you'll be waiting infinitely. I agree on some of your<br>points, and disagree on others, you only seem to acknowledge the points
<br>I disagree on, and although you make statements which imply gentoo<br>requires hacking you never agree that it is hackish. If this is your<br>bone of contention wake up and smell the java (desktop environment, ;P).<br>
<br>Everything has its purpose, nails are made for wood, bolts are made for<br>metal. IMHO, gentoo is made for hacking, fedora is made for users.</blockquote><div><br>Gentoo is made for the moderate users who enjoy playing with their OS or for professionals who have a specific job in mind (get it how it needs to work then leave it forever)
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