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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Just because they do it, doesn't make it right.</FONT>
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Just because Israel has their reasons for bombing Lebanon doesn't make it right <BR>
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So its time to wake up and smell the coffee. Media delivery will follow formats which are widely accepted, theora isn't a windows or mac supported format and we can't force that upon them as much as they can't force upon us wm or qt, we choose to support what we can support in this community without risking patent infringement, however there is always a way...
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Go watch some videos on the BBC website. They are using RealPlayer which -</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">whilst evil - at least *has* players on platforms other than Windows.</FONT>
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Don't get me started on real player, its shit end of, no argument please, there is a movement for them to create gstreamer plugins for ra and rm formats which would be far better than their crappy player, they even changed their ABI format so xine and gstreamer couldn't use their libraries for decoding.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> I would have hoped people would have focused on the fact that Linux</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> and Ubuntu were mentioned on mainstream media. Ok more4 probably ain't</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> mainstream, but it is good it is getting mentioned. And just hopefully</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> one of those Windows users watching online will think about using</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> Linux and Ubuntu and maybe even look for a local lug.</FONT>
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Yeah, doesn't work on our platform OOTB, but if it works on the audience we're trying to convert then thats enough, and to see the achievements of the community is enough to empower people.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">Well it's difficult to tell because I *can't* watch the segment can I?</FONT>
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Can't you, well in that case you've got no skill or will, try downloading w32codecs for mplayer then getting totem-xine, xinelib, mozilla-totem, mozplugger and mplayer installed.
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All it takes is a little hackery and you can get it working, the format is wm9 which is included in w32codecs and totem-xine should work if it can load the codecs alright, failing using totem-xine try embedding mplayer in mozilla using mozplugger, its easy enough and plenty of websites out there will tell you how.<BR>
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You can't complain about their delivery system when it works on more platforms than doesn't, you can't complain they're evil, and you can't complain you can't watch it because you obviously have never tried to find out how to get this kind of media stream working, works for me on my home box ;P
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">You consider me suggesting that they use a method of media delivery that is</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">more open as �"radical"?How odd.</FONT>
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I think he meant the general radical linux users who evangelise and zeal over linux until something doesn't work on the platform and they play the proprietary card.
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> I am not having a go at you guys but the Linux community on the</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">> whole.</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">> I like and use Windows, I also like Linux too.</FONT>
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<FONT COLOR="#000000">You have chosen not to do this. That is of course your decision to make. But</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">don't berate me and those like me for wanting a more open community which</FONT>
<FONT COLOR="#000000">empowers people to use their computers rather than restricts them.</FONT>
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Zealotry like this doesn't empower anybody. You can't call for a more open community and then complain when someone uses a format that doesn't work on your platform, all the comments do is serve to isolate the media company involved from linux if they get to hear whats been said. What you've basically said in my eyes is, "OI Channel4 you can't be part of our community because you're not linux friendly, and BTW I want a more open community where providers are a part of it" give me a break!<BR>
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Instead of complaining all the time, get off your arse and put back into the community, try developing a royalty free wm9 codec for gstreamer, or contacting channel 4 and explaining the issue to them and direct their actions a little to be more in tune with us, be positive not critical.<BR>
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Take for instance, I don't like windows, in fact I passionately loath it, I do however need to use a few windows only applications... After some time of getting frustrated with the complete shite that is winetools I began developing wine-doors, I got off my backside and did something about it... That is how the community empowers people in a positive way, it seems you're empowering the community to complain and argue the point of cathedral and bazaar ad infinitum without actually putting back. I think that members of this list should get more involved in all the projects out there more, content to be a user and not putting anything back doesn't help the situation linux is in, there's work to be done! I have a need for a php/mysql developer on wine-doors.org at the minute, probably about 30-35 hours work on adding features to the existing wine AppDB, I have the need for C developers on gnome-dock.org right now to assist with moving the code from simple cairo to automake/autoconf gtk and libwnck and possibly some compiz hackery. I have the need for a trac administrator on gnome-dock.org which doesn't need any development experience, I have a need for data entry people on wine-doors.org. I know people who are looking for help with their projects too, jokosher for instance needs developers on gstreamer in python... <BR>
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There are many little jobs that need doing, and getting involved with these things and discussing the developments we've made as individuals and in our respective projects is far better than complaining about one little interview with mark shuttleworth, I briefly met the guy at lugradio live, he's cool, he's been to space, he loves ubuntu, I don't think theres much more he could have said that would be new to linux users. His talk btw is on the lugradio website now, you may want to check it out.<BR>
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