Many thanks for the advice Karl and Karl<br><br>And yes I am aware of the turdish nature of ATI cards but I didn't buy it - so I'm going to spare myself from a thorough stabbing of my knee if you don't mind ... well, at least for the time being
<br><br>Will let you know how it goes<br><br>James<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 20/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:kent-request@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent-request@mailman.lug.org.uk</a></b> <
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<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. OffTopic: M$ plays satanic music (David Halliday)<br> 2. VGA Card TV out problems (James Mallery)<br> 3. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Lattimer)<br> 4. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Buckland)
<br> 5. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Peter Childs)<br> 6. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Buckland)<br> 7. Re: VGA Card TV out problems (Karl Lattimer)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------
<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:43:34 +0100<br>From: "David Halliday" <<a href="mailto:david.halliday@gmail.com">david.halliday@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [Klug-general] OffTopic: M$ plays satanic music
<br>To: <a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:7a1d5ef70706190643w164bc9d8ob6e676d16a4ed8aa@mail.gmail.com">7a1d5ef70706190643w164bc9d8ob6e676d16a4ed8aa@mail.gmail.com
</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Someone sent me this and I figured that members of the LUG would<br>appreciate it also:<br><br>They say if you play a Microsoft CD backwards, you hear satanic
<br>messages. That's nothing, because if you play it forwards, it installs<br>Windows.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:10:45 +0100<br>From: "James Mallery" <
<a href="mailto:jamesmallery@gmail.com">jamesmallery@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems<br>To: <a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <
<a href="mailto:2dd492050706200310k6c53a919u2b1669cdb71621d1@mail.gmail.com">2dd492050706200310k6c53a919u2b1669cdb71621d1@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>Hi all,<br>
<br>Having problems getting the TV out functionality working on both my and a<br>friends Linux installations. My friend Nathan Friend told me that he<br>attended a KLUG meet where you had TV out running nicely on a few machines.
<br>I'm using a ATI Radeon 9200 - can only get part 3/4 of my desktop on screen<br>whether I use the default Radeon driver that Sax2 uses or the latest<br>official ATI driver, which I used to create a 'distribution specific'
<br>package using the kernel source. My friends using a NVidia Geforce 4MX -<br>with the drivers his PCLinuxOS distro<br>installed the TV out was in black and white (his TV supports both PAL and<br>NTSC) and when I installed the official driver the TV out came out as
<br>a complete grey mess on screen.<br> We are both using s-video leads to connect.<br>Is there any default/failsafe settings that can be put into xorg.conf that<br>will help? Could anybody, who has a similar card, e-mail me their
<br>xorg.conffiles so I can compare?<br>Many thanks in advance.<br><br>Regards<br><br>James<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <a href="http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/kent/attachments/20070620/8fcd3aab/attachment-0001.html">
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karl@qdh.org.uk</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems<br>To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <<a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>Message-ID: <
1182335290.7724.17.camel@despair><br>Content-Type: text/plain<br><br>On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:10 +0100, James Mallery wrote:<br>> Hi all,<br>><br>> Having problems getting the TV out functionality working on both my
<br>> and a friends Linux installations. My friend Nathan Friend told me<br>> that he attended a KLUG meet where you had TV out running nicely on a<br>> few machines.<br>> I'm using a ATI Radeon 9200 - can only get part 3/4 of my desktop on
<br>> screen whether I use the default Radeon driver that Sax2 uses or the<br>> latest official ATI driver, which I used to create a 'distribution<br>> specific' package using the kernel source.<br><br>ATI sucks, I don't know about TV-out on modern ATI cards, however I did
<br>do some work with <a href="http://gatos.sourceforge.net/">http://gatos.sourceforge.net/</a> in order to get a 7000<br>series radeon working with TVout, and it worked quite nicely (800x600<br>only)<br><br>If the hacks on that site are still valid, and you are using the open
<br>source ATI driver rather than the proprietary driver then please be<br>aware, the hacks required to get that working are about 3 days work<br>battling with all kinds of horrific patching and building.<br><br>However I suspect that this is mostly a resolution problem, so the
<br>easiest fix would probably be to drop your resolution down to 800x600<br>and see if that fixes it, then if it does...<br><br>Stab yourself in the knee for buying an ATI card that can only do sync<br>resolution of multi-monitors ;P
<br><br>> My friends using a NVidia Geforce 4MX - with the drivers his PCLinuxOS<br>> distro installed the TV out was in black and white (his TV supports<br>> both PAL and NTSC) and when I installed the official driver the TV out
<br>> came out as a complete grey mess on screen. We are both using s-video<br>> leads to connect.<br><br>You aren't using a TV with S-Video input so only one of the channels in<br>S-Video is being used. There are a few fixes for this, buy a TV with
<br>S-Video input or build a small circuit to do the Y/C to composite<br>conversion, you can find out quite a bit about this on this post to<br><a href="http://planet.ubuntu.com">planet.ubuntu.com</a> yesterday<br><br><a href="http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=97">
http://albertomilone.com/wordpress/?p=97</a><br><br>Check the comments ;)<br><br>> Is there any default/failsafe settings that can be put into xorg.conf<br>> that will help? Could anybody, who has a similar card, e-mail me
<br>> their xorg.conf files so I can compare?<br><br>In the xorg.conf I have the following device section<br><br>Section "Device"<br> Identifier "Videocard0"<br> Driver "nvidia"
<br> VendorName "Videocard vendor"<br> BoardName "NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX (generic)"<br> Option "ConnectedMonitor" "TV"<br> Option "TVStandard" "PAL"
<br>EndSection<br><br>but that machine is running ONLY on a TV, read the nvidia manual as it<br>has some handy points, you may find that something like ConnectedMonitor<br>LCD,TV is a better solution at times.<br><br>Of course, nvidia-settings can do all of this for you :)
<br><br>K,<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:33:30 +0100<br>From: Karl Buckland <<a href="mailto:karl@digital-end.com">karl@digital-end.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems<br>To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <<a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:4679027A.8030903@digital-end.com">
4679027A.8030903@digital-end.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Karl Lattimer wrote:<br>> ATI sucks<br>Yup. I ended up buying a cheapy nVidia card just for TV-out on my MythTV
<br>box.<br><br>I could get TV out working with ATI, but for some reason no videos would<br>appear on the TV, only on my monitor. On the TV I'd just get a black box.<br>> but that machine is running ONLY on a TV, read the nvidia manual as it
<br>> has some handy points, you may find that something like ConnectedMonitor<br>> LCD,TV is a better solution at times.<br>><br>> Of course, nvidia-settings can do all of this for you :)<br>><br>I found that booting with my cheapy nVidia card I had TV out
<br>immediately, but only when only the TV was connected. When a monitor is<br>connected also then nvidia-settings and some xorg.conf config comes to<br>the rescue.<br><br>Karl (the other one)<br><br><br><br>------------------------------
<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 11:45:17 +0100<br>From: "Peter Childs" <<a href="mailto:peterachilds@gmail.com">peterachilds@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
<br>To: "Kent Linux User Group - General Topics" <<a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:a2de01dd0706200345g703e5c01h7f26eb8f56fa7a3f@mail.gmail.com">
a2de01dd0706200345g703e5c01h7f26eb8f56fa7a3f@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>I've had much the same experience under windows so thats nothing special<br>there. Would like to have a go with multiple monitors under Linux so does
<br>anyone have a good starting point. Somthing simple would be good.<br><br>I'm would like to work out if I can get Linux to expand my desktop to a<br>second screen.<br><br>Are there any good presentation packages available for linux so that I can
<br>control it on one scan and view it on anther, PowerPoint Style. I know<br>OpenOffice can handle Powerpoint files but I'm not sure this is the right<br>too for the right job.<br><br>Maybe this is worthy of being a subject for a meet?
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<br>To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <<a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:467907D8.1090103@digital-end.com">467907D8.1090103@digital-end.com
</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Peter Childs wrote:<br>><br>> I've had much the same experience under windows so thats nothing<br>> special there. Would like to have a go with multiple monitors under
<br>> Linux so does anyone have a good starting point. Somthing simple would<br>> be good.<br>><br>> I'm would like to work out if I can get Linux to expand my desktop to<br>> a second screen.<br>><br>
With an nVidia card this is trivially easy using nvidia-settings. In<br>Ubuntu once you've installed the 'restricted' driver, it'll even happily<br>do desktop effects with multiple monitors too.<br><br>Karl Buckland
<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:11:01 +0100<br>From: Karl Lattimer <<a href="mailto:karl@qdh.org.uk">karl@qdh.org.uk</a>><br>Subject: Re: [Klug-general] VGA Card TV out problems
<br>To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <<a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>Message-ID: <1182337861.7724.22.camel@despair><br>Content-Type: text/plain<br><br>On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 11:56 +0100, Karl Buckland wrote:
<br>> Peter Childs wrote:<br>> ><br>> > I've had much the same experience under windows so thats nothing<br>> > special there. Would like to have a go with multiple monitors under<br>> > Linux so does anyone have a good starting point. Somthing simple would
<br>> > be good.<br>> ><br>> > I'm would like to work out if I can get Linux to expand my desktop to<br>> > a second screen.<br>> ><br>> With an nVidia card this is trivially easy using nvidia-settings. In
<br>> Ubuntu once you've installed the 'restricted' driver, it'll even happily<br>> do desktop effects with multiple monitors too.<br><br>Nicely put ;)<br><br>The biggest issue I see here is that open office impress doesn't appear
<br>to support multi-monitors in any meaningful way. You can set the<br>presentation to appear on one or other monitor or both but I can't see<br>how you show the notes for the active slide on the other monitor.<br><br>
I'd say this is a missing feature and really really should be filed as a<br>bug against open office as its a fairly big oversight on their part.<br><br>This is one of the reasons I always use Apple Keynote, well that and the
<br>fact that the effects are downright kick arse!<br><br>K,<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Kent mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">
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