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Stuart<br>If you are truly interested in a new OS, you could do a lot worse than having a look at the Puppy linux Woof build system<br><br>http://puppylinux.com/woof/ppm.htm<br><br>Many inexperienced people have created some innovative distros, & are testing on the Puppy forum<br><br>However, isn't the main thing about developing an OS, getting it to work on all sorts of different hardware, from low ram oldies to high spec dual/quad processor modern kit?<br>That is not only a challenge - it requires real commitment & longevity, or it ends up as abandonware<br><br>Good Luck<br><br>Aitch<br>---------------------------------------<br>> From: stuart_mac_admin@me.com<br>> To: kent@mailman.lug.org.uk<br>> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:47:24 +0100<br>> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] KLUG OS<br>> <br>> OK, you are right again, new distros should only be created by those <br>> who have established ones already, there is no room for innovation on <br>> this list and in future I will keep quite about such controversial <br>> subjects<br>> <br>> Stuart<br>> <br>> <br>> On 29 Apr 2009, at 19:20, AllenJB wrote:<br>> <br>> > Stuart Brand wrote:<br>> >> Hi AllenJB<br>> >><br>> >> You are so right, why bother trying to understand how something is <br>> >> made, just use a prebuilt version that has a strong following and <br>> >> where any problems have already been solved, no need to know how it <br>> >> works, just know that it does and use it.<br>> ><br>> > While one or two of us might be able to achieve this, for most of the<br>> > group I believe it's going to be (using a probably inappropriate<br>> > analogy...) like trying to build an engine by starting with only a<br>> > blacksmiths workshop when you don't even know where the fuel goes or <br>> > how<br>> > to read blueprints.<br>> ><br>> > I believe that there are far better ways to go about learning the ins<br>> > and outs of Linux - namely through LFS and Gentoo. These give you a<br>> > starting point, and a very firm one at that - they are both well<br>> > supported and well documented. Gentoo in particular allows you to <br>> > start<br>> > at a level you're happy with, even if that level is a very high<br>> > overview, and then work away on the more detailed aspects and focus<br>> > where you choose.<br>> ><br>> > You still get to understand how something is made - but you get <br>> > support<br>> > and documentation while doing it.<br>> ><br>> > It's also wrong to say that "any problems have been solved". Find me <br>> > ANY<br>> > open source projects with a public bug tracker that has no open bugs <br>> > on<br>> > it! Not only can you get a better understanding of how projects work <br>> > by<br>> > picking up open issues and working on them, but your work can <br>> > benefit a<br>> > large number of people, rather than only a small number.<br>> ><br>> > It doesn't have to be just coding either - I frequently work on Gentoo<br>> > Wiki to improve existing articles or write new ones. Documentation is<br>> > often seen as one of the more boring parts of any project, but through<br>> > writing it you can discover a lot of things you didn't know.<br>> ><br>> > Yes, common problems will have already been solved, but with the<br>> > thousands of linux distros already out there, do you think any of the<br>> > problems you're likely to encounter trying to create your own haven't<br>> > been solved either?<br>> ><br>> >><br>> >> Sounds like a Microsoft theosophy to me?<br>> ><br>> > This isn't any Microsoft philosophy.<br>> ><br>> > This is the proper open source philosophy:<br>> > - Don't reinvent the wheel<br>> > - Give back to the projects you use<br>> > - The size or quantity of your contributions is not important<br>> > - Stand on the shoulders of those who came before you<br>> ><br>> > AllenJB<br>> ><br>> >><br>> >> Thanks for the support<br>> >><br>> >> Stuart<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at 05:42PM, "AllenJB" <allen@allenjb.me.uk <br>> >> > wrote:<br>> >>> Stuart Brand wrote:<br>> >>>> A website would be good, for the tutorials<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> the user would still need to download a distro regardless, may as <br>> >>>> well be ours so we have a reference point for the tutorials and <br>> >>>> help<br>> >>> While in theory this may give *us* (the LUG) a good reference point,<br>> >>> assuming the entire LUG decides to learn this new distro (I know I <br>> >>> won't<br>> >>> - I'm too busy working with and for my current distro and preferred<br>> >>> applications - and that's just my limited free time), it's going <br>> >>> to be<br>> >>> absolutely terrible for anyone else to support.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Why not use an existing popular distro for which there is already a<br>> >>> large amount of good documentation, such as Gentoo or Ubuntu? This <br>> >>> way,<br>> >>> not only is there almost certainly going to be someone in the LUG <br>> >>> who<br>> >>> can help with support, there will definitely be documentation and<br>> >>> support from outside the LUG too.<br>> >>><br>> >>> AllenJB<br>> >>><br>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 29, 2009, at 03:21PM, "Karl Buckland" <karl@digital-end.com <br>> >>>> > wrote:<br>> >>>>> 2009/4/29 Stuart Brand <stuart_mac_admin@me.com>:<br>> >>>>>> How about a "Welcome to Linux" distro, a basic live cd that has <br>> >>>>>> firefox and a terminal that we can write tutorials for? stuff <br>> >>>>>> like that<br>> >>>>>><br>> >>>>> Wouldn't a website be more appropriate for that? Then the user <br>> >>>>> doesn't<br>> >>>>> have to download anything.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Karl<br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> Kent mailing list<br>> >>> Kent@mailman.lug.org.uk<br>> >>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/kent<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> Kent mailing list<br>> >> Kent@mailman.lug.org.uk<br>> >> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/kent<br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Kent mailing list<br>> > Kent@mailman.lug.org.uk<br>> > https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/kent<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Kent mailing list<br>> Kent@mailman.lug.org.uk<br>> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/kent<br><br /><hr />Get the New Internet Explore 8 Optimised for MSN. <a href='http://extras.uk.msn.com/internet-explorer-8/?ocid=T010MSN07A0716U' target='_new'>Download Now</a></body>
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