<div dir="ltr"><div>**dammit managed to hit send to early grrrr**</div><div><br></div>end up on here<div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/">https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>and lets use know how you get on as myself and I;'m sure many others on the list would love to know the answers your given.</div><div><br></div><div></rant (I think i might be becoming the new Julia :-))></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 September 2014 09:05, Dan Attwood <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danattwood@gmail.com" target="_blank">danattwood@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Bloated</span><br><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">A fresh imaged version of windows 7 will cotain the based os, the browser, notepad a caculator and some bit and bobs. Not really what I'd call bloated. They probably won't have much more software installed on them either. Given the that the machines are in a public they will also almost certainly be creating and destroying user profiles at each login so they won't cruft up much over time. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Buggy</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I've used windows 7 for about 4 years now full time at work. I've had a handful of blue screens and crashes over that time. I've probably had ubuntu lock up about as much. This is on machine that runs virtualbox, encodes videos, runs full adbobe suite and programming tools and has me constantly fiddle with things. On a clean library machine any potential bugs will be even less</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Virus prone</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">True but, they will be behind a firewall and internet filtering system which will cut out a lot of these problems. They will almost certainly have local antivirus on them</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Cost</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">This is a one you really have to be careful on. The cost of the OS is only one part of the puzzle. You have to factor in the cost of employing linux skilled people and the cost of managing linux maxchines en mass.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">For example we use SCCM here at work to manage around 2000 devices. It enables all software installs and updates to be done automatically pushed out to machines. the systems that do this for linux (landscape, satellite, chef entrpirse etc ) can actually be very expensive by comparison.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">As Nathan points out you actually have to point out the cost of user acceptance. the first time a member of the public opens a word file in libre office and gets back garbage you're' going to meet a lot of frustration.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">I make these points as an ardant Linux fan boy who would love to see more Linux being used. Projects like Limux, Udine and the French Police are awesome. But if you're going to be approaching the Council about this you need to make sure you have very sound reasoning and not just 'Windows is rubbish and Linux is awesome' or you will just be pushed aside as a zealot.</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">Natahn suggestion of putting in a FOI request is a really good one. </font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">you'll fine info here:</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><a href="https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/the-freedom-of-information-act" target="_blank">https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/the-freedom-of-information-act</a><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">make the request and any answers also end up on here:</font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On 19 September 2014 08:40, Jonathan Kaye <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jdkaye@riseup.net" target="_blank">jdkaye@riseup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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Bloated, buggy, virus prone. There's extensive documentation on this
topic. For a more extensive treatment from a former MS employee I'd
suggest <i>After the Software Wars</i> by Keith Curtis. I wasn't
referring to Windows 7 in particular (sorry if I gave that
impression) and perhaps the most obvious objection is the cost. I'm
mainly concerned with who makes the decisions about software for
publicly funded institutions and what arguments are given for the
choice in question.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
Jonathan <br>
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