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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">"...the cost of adding it to a cd rom
is almost nothing. the cost of writing the driver, testing across
multiple printers and distros, supporting customers with it and
maintaining the code long term however start to stack up fast." -
which is why it makes sense for manufacturers to have an open
source code? Then the community can maintain it with minimal cost
input from the manufacturers?<br>
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I'm not sure about the security concerns of the manufacturers when
it comes to networking and Internet of Things. Here's a BBC
article on a internet hacked printer that was reprogrammed to run
the doom game! <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29203776">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29203776</a><br>
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On 24/09/14 08:30, Dan Attwood wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"if you
look at the marginal </span><span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">cost, </span><span
style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">then
there's no real objection to adding a Linux driver to the
CDROM </span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">that they
ship anyway.</span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"> "</span>
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<div><font face="arial, sans-serif">the cost of adding it to a
cd rom is almost nothing. the cost of writing the driver,
testing across multiple printers and distros, supporting
customers with it and maintaining the code long term however
start to stack up fast.</font></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Long term
i actually think the solution to this are network</span><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> aware printers that
you can just email the thing to be printed to - like the
google cloud print. This completely removes the need for
drivers and also makes printing form phones, tablets,
internet of things fridge, smart watch etc possible. </span><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 24 September 2014 06:49, Thomas
Edward Groves <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:teg451013@freeuk.com" target="_blank">teg451013@freeuk.com</a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ok I'll
have another try at getting their driver and installing it.<br>
<br>
My point about forcing honest answers is that, if you look
at the marginal<br>
cost,<br>
then there's no real objection to adding a Linux driver to
the CDROM<br>
that they ship anyway. So why don't they (and Samsung
doesn't for the<br>
ML-2165)?<br>
<br>
I know I sound paranoic but, for some reason, whenever I try
to do<br>
something which everybody else finds easy I fail.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the replies, I will try again.<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
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To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <<a
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<div class="h5">Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:40 AM<br>
Subject: Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue
1<br>
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<br>
> Yes, I've tried the Samsungs Unified driver, worked
with one of the mono<br>
> laser printers fine but another scanner/laser
printer did not have full<br>
> functionality of the scanner (only used about 50
sheet, will be selling<br>
> shortly ... anyone interested?)... Then the Samsung
driver started<br>
> crashing my whole system (Linux Mint / Mate). I
had difficulty cleaning<br>
> up the mess and getting rid of the driver. No
support given by the<br>
> Samsung guys, so now I am using Epson and they also
have their drivers<br>
> for Linux now, works much better at the moment.
Nice cheap printer<br>
> scanners, XP series, I've had a whole lot that I
had tested.<br>
><br>
> Michael<br>
><br>
> On 23/09/14 10:17, Brian Reay wrote:<br>
> > Well, we live in a free world plus, in the
scheme of things, we Linux<br>
> > people are very much a minority. As a believer
in freedom, I'm not<br>
> > sure I believe in 'forcing' companies to
release information for<br>
> > purely commercial reasons. Safety etc. is, of
course, another matter.<br>
> ><br>
> > As it happens, BTW, Samsung are one of the
good guys. They have a<br>
> > "Unified Driver", which does the business for
my Laser printer, inc.<br>
> > CUPS support, and works with my Airprint
modifications, which allow me<br>
> > to access my system printers from my IOS
devices.<br>
> ><br>
> > Brian<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> >> So why can't someone who can *force*
answers ask the printer<br>
> >> manufacturers<br>
> >> (Samsung, are you listening?) to explain
*honestly* why they don't<br>
> >> ship CUPS compatible drivers with their
products?<br>
> >><br>
> >> This whole driver problem is purely down
to the makers of peripherals<br>
> >> and their bleat of "Linux is a niche
market" is just evasion.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I'd like to see one of those Competition
Commissioners in Brussels<br>
> >> start banging heads together.<br>
> >> Why aren't they?<br>
> >><br>
> >> Sorry about the tone but there are too
many people with lots of power<br>
> >> who simply won't use it for some reason.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Tom<br>
> >> ----- Original Message -----<br>
> >> From: Brian Reay <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:brian.reay@gmail.com">brian.reay@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>><br>
> >> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:38 PM<br>
> >> Subject: Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest,
Vol 464, Issue 1<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >>> True.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> But, don't forget things like
printers, video cards, etc. Not all have<br>
> >>> drivers which are 'nice' to install
for Linux (a point Linus T<br>
> >>> acknowledges). People like us
recognise that isn't really a true Linux<br>
> >>> issue, it is the vendors who don't
supply the information or develop<br>
> >>> drivers, or we can find drivers and
install them via the command line<br>
> >>> etc. However, your average
Windows/MacOS user expects them to either<br>
to<br>
> >>> just 'be there', come with the
printer, or be available from the<br>
makers<br>
> >>> website. Suggest he/she needs to open
a terminal, type (to him/her) a<br>
> >>> load of 'black magic nonsense' and
chances are they will reach for the<br>
> >>> Windows 8 CD (Yuk).<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> We like the 'black magic' but, most
users don't. They just want a<br>
> >>> machine to do a 'job', they don't 'get
off' on the 'black magic' (so<br>
to<br>
> >>> speak), they are odd. ;-) Worst of
all, many are beyond hope odd, they<br>
> >>> think Windows 8 is good.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Brian<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 22/09/14 15:24, Gavin Coles wrote:<br>
> >>>> The way to get people in to Linux
is a long term issue, the best<br>
> >>>> way for<br>
> >>>> my own experience to start with
software that has cross platform<br>
> >>>> availability. So Firefox,
Thunderbird, LibreOffice and like. Once<br>
> >>>> you<br>
> >>>> can show that everything they need
for their day to day use is<br>
> >>>> available<br>
> >>>> on another platform they they are
more willing to try dropping<br>
> >>>> Windows.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> On 22/09/14 15:15, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kent-request@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent-request@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>
wrote:<br>
> >>>>> Don't forget the issue of the
average user (employee). They will<br>
> >>>>> almost<br>
> >>>>> certainly use Windows
Applications at home, or have come from<br>
> >>>>> employers<br>
> >>>>> which use them, or educational
establishments which taught them.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>
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