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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've actually come up with a somewhat similar
idea.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>In my case I thought of having the printer pretend
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>to be a bog-standard flashdrive (everything
supports those (?))</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>where you'd simply copy your file onto it and
then</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>create a file on the drive called 'print' telling
the printer how you </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>wanted your file printed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On completion the printer would simply delete
'print'.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>At which point who needs a driver.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for my ML-2165: it's currently managed by
a</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(shock / horror) XP machine which is otherwise
redundant</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(and NOT on the internet).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Many thanks for all the responses.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:danattwood@gmail.com" title=danattwood@gmail.com>Dan
Attwood</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk" title=kent@mailman.lug.org.uk>Kent Linux
User Group - General Topics</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest,
Vol 464, Issue 1</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px">"if
you look at the marginal </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px">cost, </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px">then there's no real
objection to adding a Linux driver to the CDROM </SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px">that they ship
anyway.</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"> "</SPAN>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, sans-serif">the cost of adding it to a cd rom is
almost nothing. the cost of writing the driver, testing
across multiple printers and distros, supporting customers with it
and maintaining the code long term however start to stack up
fast.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif">Long term
i actually think the solution to this are network</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif"> aware printers that you can just
email the thing to be printed to - like the google cloud print. This
completely removes the need for drivers and also makes printing form phones,
tablets, internet of things fridge, smart watch etc
possible. </SPAN><BR></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: arial,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 13px"><BR></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_extra><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On 24 September 2014 06:49, Thomas Edward Groves <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:teg451013@freeuk.com"
target=_blank>teg451013@freeuk.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex">Ok
I'll have another try at getting their driver and installing it.<BR><BR>My
point about forcing honest answers is that, if you look at the
marginal<BR>cost,<BR>then there's no real objection to adding a Linux driver
to the CDROM<BR>that they ship anyway. So why don't they (and Samsung
doesn't for the<BR>ML-2165)?<BR><BR>I know I sound paranoic but, for some
reason, whenever I try to do<BR>something which everybody else finds easy I
fail.<BR><BR>Thanks for the replies, I will try again.<BR><SPAN
class="im HOEnZb"><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: Michael Sinclair
<<A
href="mailto:msinclair@mody.me.uk">msinclair@mody.me.uk</A>><BR>To: Kent
Linux User Group - General Topics <<A
href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</A>><BR></SPAN>
<DIV class=HOEnZb>
<DIV class=h5>Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:40 AM<BR>Subject: Re:
[Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1<BR><BR><BR>> Yes, I've tried
the Samsungs Unified driver, worked with one of the mono<BR>> laser
printers fine but another scanner/laser printer did not have full<BR>>
functionality of the scanner (only used about 50 sheet, will be
selling<BR>> shortly ... anyone interested?)... Then the Samsung driver
started<BR>> crashing my whole system (Linux Mint / Mate). I had
difficulty cleaning<BR>> up the mess and getting rid of the driver.
No support given by the<BR>> Samsung guys, so now I am using Epson and
they also have their drivers<BR>> for Linux now, works much better at the
moment. Nice cheap printer<BR>> scanners, XP series, I've had a
whole lot that I had tested.<BR>><BR>> Michael<BR>><BR>> On
23/09/14 10:17, Brian Reay wrote:<BR>> > Well, we live in a free world
plus, in the scheme of things, we Linux<BR>> > people are very much a
minority. As a believer in freedom, I'm not<BR>> > sure I believe in
'forcing' companies to release information for<BR>> > purely
commercial reasons. Safety etc. is, of course, another matter.<BR>>
><BR>> > As it happens, BTW, Samsung are one of the good guys. They
have a<BR>> > "Unified Driver", which does the business for my Laser
printer, inc.<BR>> > CUPS support, and works with my Airprint
modifications, which allow me<BR>> > to access my system printers from
my IOS devices.<BR>> ><BR>> > Brian<BR>> ><BR>>
><BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>> >> So why can't someone who can
*force* answers ask the printer<BR>> >> manufacturers<BR>>
>> (Samsung, are you listening?) to explain *honestly* why they
don't<BR>> >> ship CUPS compatible drivers with their
products?<BR>> >><BR>> >> This whole driver problem is
purely down to the makers of peripherals<BR>> >> and their bleat of
"Linux is a niche market" is just evasion.<BR>> >><BR>> >>
I'd like to see one of those Competition Commissioners in Brussels<BR>>
>> start banging heads together.<BR>> >> Why aren't
they?<BR>> >><BR>> >> Sorry about the tone but there are
too many people with lots of power<BR>> >> who simply won't use it
for some reason.<BR>> >><BR>> >> Tom<BR>> >>
----- Original Message -----<BR>> >> From: Brian Reay <<A
href="mailto:brian.reay@gmail.com">brian.reay@gmail.com</A>><BR>>
>> To: Kent Linux User Group - General Topics <<A
href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</A>><BR>>
>> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:38 PM<BR>> >> Subject:
Re: [Klug-general] Kent Digest, Vol 464, Issue 1<BR>> >><BR>>
>><BR>> >>> True.<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> But, don't forget things like printers, video cards, etc. Not
all have<BR>> >>> drivers which are 'nice' to install for Linux
(a point Linus T<BR>> >>> acknowledges). People like us
recognise that isn't really a true Linux<BR>> >>> issue, it is
the vendors who don't supply the information or develop<BR>> >>>
drivers, or we can find drivers and install them via the command
line<BR>> >>> etc. However, your average Windows/MacOS user
expects them to either<BR>to<BR>> >>> just 'be there', come with
the printer, or be available from the<BR>makers<BR>> >>>
website. Suggest he/she needs to open a terminal, type (to him/her)
a<BR>> >>> load of 'black magic nonsense' and chances are they
will reach for the<BR>> >>> Windows 8 CD (Yuk).<BR>>
>>><BR>> >>> We like the 'black magic' but, most users
don't. They just want a<BR>> >>> machine to do a 'job', they
don't 'get off' on the 'black magic' (so<BR>to<BR>> >>> speak),
they are odd. ;-) Worst of all, many are beyond hope odd, they<BR>>
>>> think Windows 8 is good.<BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> Brian<BR>> >>><BR>> >>><BR>>
>>> On 22/09/14 15:24, Gavin Coles wrote:<BR>> >>>>
The way to get people in to Linux is a long term issue, the best<BR>>
>>>> way for<BR>> >>>> my own experience to start
with software that has cross platform<BR>> >>>>
availability. So Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice and like.
Once<BR>> >>>> you<BR>> >>>> can show that
everything they need for their day to day use is<BR>> >>>>
available<BR>> >>>> on another platform they they are more
willing to try dropping<BR>> >>>> Windows.<BR>>
>>>><BR>> >>>> On 22/09/14 15:15, <A
href="mailto:kent-request@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent-request@mailman.lug.org.uk</A>
wrote:<BR>> >>>>> Don't forget the issue of the average
user (employee). They will<BR>> >>>>> almost<BR>>
>>>>> certainly use Windows Applications at home, or have
come from<BR>> >>>>> employers<BR>>
>>>>> which use them, or educational establishments which
taught them.<BR>> >>><BR>> >>>
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