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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just reading the article pulls up an
interesting side link that goes back to the Kcc library issue.
The article mentions the European Commission service called
'Joinup', Googling finds: <a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/">https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/</a>
a very interesting EU service that seems to promote not just Linux
but much opensource infrastructure. Perhaps with or through this
commission as a powerful backup the library might be willing to
listen...<br>
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Also in response to the problem of running specialised windows and
XP programs the following excerpt from the story:"Applications
that can only run on Windows are run within virtual desktops and
the town authority also keeps 25 PCs for running software used by
its Civil Service desk and computer-aided design software." -
points to CAD<br>
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Again the Germans had the upper hand on us as they had started
preparing for the migration in 2007! Way before anyone here in
the UK had even thought about it: management incompetence.<br>
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On 14/10/14 22:05, Antonio Mendoza Mendoza wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5508"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">IMHO, I think it is all
about commodity, "easyness" and lazyness in terms of a
"centralised" management and maintenance, as Dan pointed.
Also due to the lack of knowledge and awareness of other
ways to do things.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5638" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">On top of that, how the
KCC would be able to justify the costs of a bespoken
software to manage the whole Council they bought a few years
ago, software that did cost a "fortune" at the time and
never worked or did what they wanted properly. Sorry,
although I remember reading about that in the newspapers I
cannot remember the source of this, but I remeber it brought
out quite a discussion as it was a "recesion/crisis" time
and they where closing centres because they could
afford/maintain them.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5673" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">When Munich council
(among others) and a whole country as Brazil have done the
step (the brazilian government in a whole and all their
administrative offices moved to Linux many years ago), why
KCC shouldn't be able to do so.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5674" dir="ltr"><br>
<span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536"></span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5675" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">Regarding end users my
sister is quite illiterate in computers or any other
technical stuff, and she is using in a daily basis my very
old laptop which is running Linux. She has no problems in
logging in, browse the internet or accesing files and
documents in the system. How long (or how expensive) can
take to explain an end user how to open a (non-Internet
explorer) browser or basic IT work if they already know the
very basic as Windows users. How long can take for a novice
to learn the basics when they are not still "polluted" by a
Microsoft environment.</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5775" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">I think everything is
about lack of interest or personal interests and business
relationships.<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5668" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">Regards</span></div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5669" dir="ltr"><span
id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">Antonio.</span></div>
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Re: [Klug-general] answer to my FOI request from Kent
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> It's about management of those machines as well not
just user experience.<br clear="none">
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> All the machines in KCC will be windows and they will
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> Having of pool of machines that are different would
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I'd like to see evidence for this assertion. I'd like to
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the upheaval of changing from Windows XP to Windows 7. In
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change from Windows to Linux as to the level of trauma
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such a change compared to a Windows "upgrade". If it turns
out that<br clear="none">
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Kent library system.
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