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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just reading the article pulls up an
      interesting side link that goes back to the Kcc library issue. 
      The article mentions the European Commission service called
      'Joinup', Googling finds: <a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/">https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/</a>
      a very interesting EU service that seems to promote not just Linux
      but much opensource infrastructure.  Perhaps with or through this
      commission as a powerful backup the library might be willing to
      listen...<br>
      <br>
      Also in response to the problem of running specialised windows and
      XP programs the following excerpt from the story:"Applications
      that can only run on Windows are run within virtual desktops and
      the town authority also keeps 25 PCs for running software used by
      its Civil Service desk and computer-aided design software." -
      points to CAD<br>
      <br>
      Again the Germans had the upper hand on us as they had started
      preparing for the migration in 2007!  Way before anyone here in
      the UK had even thought about it: management incompetence.<br>
      <br>
      On 14/10/14 22:05, Antonio Mendoza Mendoza wrote:<br>
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        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5771">Interesting reading
          too...</div>
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            not just Munich: Open source gains new ground in Germany</a><br>
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        <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5508"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">IMHO, I think it is all
            about commodity, "easyness" and lazyness in terms of a
            "centralised" management and maintenance, as Dan pointed.
            Also due to the lack of knowledge and awareness of other
            ways to do things.</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5638" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">On top of that, how the
            KCC would be able to justify the costs of a bespoken
            software to manage the whole Council they bought a few years
            ago, software that did cost a "fortune" at the time and
            never worked or did what they wanted properly. Sorry,
            although I remember reading about that in the newspapers I
            cannot remember the source of this, but I remeber it brought
            out quite a discussion as it was a "recesion/crisis" time
            and they where closing centres because they could
            afford/maintain them.</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5673" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">When Munich council
            (among others) and a whole country as Brazil have done the
            step (the brazilian government in a whole and all their
            administrative offices moved to Linux many years ago), why
            KCC shouldn't be able to do so.</span></div>
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          <span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536"></span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5675" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">Regarding end users my
            sister is quite illiterate in computers or any other
            technical stuff, and she is using in a daily basis my very
            old laptop which is running Linux. She has no problems in
            logging in, browse the internet or accesing files and
            documents in the system. How long (or how expensive) can
            take to explain an end user how to open a (non-Internet
            explorer) browser or basic IT work if they already know the
            very basic as Windows users. How long can take for a novice
            to learn the basics when they are not still "polluted" by a
            Microsoft environment.</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5775" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">I think everything is
            about lack of interest or personal interests and business
            relationships.<br>
          </span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5668" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">Regards</span></div>
        <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5669" dir="ltr"><span
            id="yui_3_16_0_1_1413318602143_5536">Antonio.</span></div>
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                size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">De:</span></b>
                Jonathan Kaye <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jdkaye@riseup.net"><jdkaye@riseup.net></a><br>
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                    style="font-weight: bold;">Para:</span></b>
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a> <br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Enviado:</span></b>
                Martes 14 de octubre de 2014 21:31<br>
                <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Asunto:</span></b>
                Re: [Klug-general] answer to my FOI request from Kent
                County Coucil<br>
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              Dan Attwood wrote on 14/10/14 17:01:<br clear="none">
              > It's about management of those machines as well not
              just user experience.<br clear="none">
              ><br clear="none">
              > All the machines in KCC will be windows and they will
              all be being<br clear="none">
              > managed centrally via SCCM and AD.<br clear="none">
              ><br clear="none">
              > Having of pool of machines that are different would
              be a pain.<br clear="none">
              ><br clear="none">
              I'd like to see evidence for this assertion. I'd like to
              compare it with<br clear="none">
              the upheaval of changing from Windows XP to Windows 7.  In
              point of fact<br clear="none">
              all this has been done with not much loss of life as a
              result. I'd<br clear="none">
              really like to hear from admins who have actually gone
              through the<br clear="none">
              change from Windows to Linux as to the level of trauma
              experiences by<br clear="none">
              such a change compared to a Windows "upgrade". If it turns
              out that<br clear="none">
              changing the administrative system is indeed an easier
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              it and lets compare all open source vs. all Windows
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