<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">On a side note to this, </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I visited Sittingbourne library last week with my laptop running Ubuntu. I duly got my internet access passcode and proceeded to go online. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I got greeted with a portal from <a href="http://kent.anywhere.me/">http://kent.anywhere.me/</a> which on the face of it looks OK, however you quickly learn it is the devil as it wont allow you to search in a separate browser tab, only through their portal. This is the way they make their money and give the service to the library's for free. Everything else is blocked by web-cat. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I tried for 1 hour to get some work done, yet it was so restricted I was able to accomplish zero. Simple steps like connecting to gmail to check email - didn't work, tried browsing for info and it felt like all of the sites were blocked by their filters. Could not order from my suppliers as it was classified as shopping, could not use forums as it was classified as community. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Lastly I couldn't download tor, but hey I guess that might happen ;) however today when I visit I am ready for it!</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">So it is worth noting that sometimes its not the fault of Microsoft, it can be the solution providers that affect the experience.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Gary </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 October 2014 10:05, Michael Sinclair <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:msinclair@mody.me.uk" target="_blank">msinclair@mody.me.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Just reading the article pulls up an
interesting side link that goes back to the Kcc library issue.
The article mentions the European Commission service called
'Joinup', Googling finds: <a href="https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/" target="_blank">https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/</a>
a very interesting EU service that seems to promote not just Linux
but much opensource infrastructure. Perhaps with or through this
commission as a powerful backup the library might be willing to
listen...<br>
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Also in response to the problem of running specialised windows and
XP programs the following excerpt from the story:"Applications
that can only run on Windows are run within virtual desktops and
the town authority also keeps 25 PCs for running software used by
its Civil Service desk and computer-aided design software." -
points to CAD<br>
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Again the Germans had the upper hand on us as they had started
preparing for the migration in 2007! Way before anyone here in
the UK had even thought about it: management incompetence.<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 14/10/14 22:05, Antonio Mendoza Mendoza wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>IMHO, I think it is all
about commodity, "easyness" and lazyness in terms of a
"centralised" management and maintenance, as Dan pointed.
Also due to the lack of knowledge and awareness of other
ways to do things.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span>On top of that, how the
KCC would be able to justify the costs of a bespoken
software to manage the whole Council they bought a few years
ago, software that did cost a "fortune" at the time and
never worked or did what they wanted properly. Sorry,
although I remember reading about that in the newspapers I
cannot remember the source of this, but I remeber it brought
out quite a discussion as it was a "recesion/crisis" time
and they where closing centres because they could
afford/maintain them.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span>When Munich council
(among others) and a whole country as Brazil have done the
step (the brazilian government in a whole and all their
administrative offices moved to Linux many years ago), why
KCC shouldn't be able to do so.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Regarding end users my
sister is quite illiterate in computers or any other
technical stuff, and she is using in a daily basis my very
old laptop which is running Linux. She has no problems in
logging in, browse the internet or accesing files and
documents in the system. How long (or how expensive) can
take to explain an end user how to open a (non-Internet
explorer) browser or basic IT work if they already know the
very basic as Windows users. How long can take for a novice
to learn the basics when they are not still "polluted" by a
Microsoft environment.</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span>I think everything is
about lack of interest or personal interests and business
relationships.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span>Regards</span></div>
<div dir="ltr"><span>Antonio.</span></div>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">De:</span></b>
Jonathan Kaye <a href="mailto:jdkaye@riseup.net" target="_blank"><jdkaye@riseup.net></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Para:</span></b>
<a href="mailto:kent@mailman.lug.org.uk" target="_blank">kent@mailman.lug.org.uk</a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Enviado:</span></b>
Martes 14 de octubre de 2014 21:31<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Asunto:</span></b>
Re: [Klug-general] answer to my FOI request from Kent
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Dan Attwood wrote on 14/10/14 17:01:<br clear="none">
> It's about management of those machines as well not
just user experience.<br clear="none">
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> All the machines in KCC will be windows and they will
all be being<br clear="none">
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> Having of pool of machines that are different would
be a pain.<br clear="none">
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I'd like to see evidence for this assertion. I'd like to
compare it with<br clear="none">
the upheaval of changing from Windows XP to Windows 7. In
point of fact<br clear="none">
all this has been done with not much loss of life as a
result. I'd<br clear="none">
really like to hear from admins who have actually gone
through the<br clear="none">
change from Windows to Linux as to the level of trauma
experiences by<br clear="none">
such a change compared to a Windows "upgrade". If it turns
out that<br clear="none">
changing the administrative system is indeed an easier
route than so be<br clear="none">
it and lets compare all open source vs. all Windows
machines for the<br clear="none">
Kent library system.
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