<p dir="ltr">Thanks Kev, apologies as I've only attended 3 meets I meant in the library @ beany house.</p>
<p dir="ltr">As for the drop in price, I to was surprised as, I believe, was Steve the broker! So this PLI is to cover everything I could think a LUG would perform, in the original terminology. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Feel free to mention if I've missed anything / added something unnecessary;</p>
<p dir="ltr">- Like minded people gather to talk "shop", <br>
- Said people sometimes present information recently learnt, discovered, made, etc. <br>
- Computers of all varieties can be brought along either for general consumption or display but overall to share with others and to provide assistance to those in the dark if your knowledgeable in the area in question, or can help. <br>
- Install Fest! ( a name I miss )-: ) <br>
- Original Definition: Any and all computers where brought along to a meeting on a particular day by those interested but unable to complete the install process for whatever reason. To users who can help iron out any kinks that cause roadblocks, gratitude was a to be found in abundance.</p>
<p dir="ltr">- Modern Definition: It's more of an evolution of a movement ( like Shedding - googlefu) than a "modern definition" but it looks like Makerspaces and Shedding are the new thing. To me it's all one and the same but with Shedding it seems to be a lot about gardening (here in Kent anyway, lol), wood working and general handy man duties in and around the community. This environment is ideal for those in rehabilitation, veterans, etc.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Basically I had to explain all that to a broker which wasn't difficult per se but certainly interesting. Afterwards Steve broke it down to the bullet point notes he felt he could get me a deal with. And here's what he said...;</p>
<p dir="ltr">- Presenting Information, <br>
- Teaching, <br>
- Adults, <br>
- Children, <br>
- Using basic facilities, <br>
- Use of power, <br>
- Possible access to the Internet.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Which broke down further to;</p>
<p dir="ltr">- (Possible) Working alongside Children, <br>
- Damages to facilities property, <br>
- Injury included with facility, <br>
- Price of rent, if applicable, <br>
- Cost marketing, again, if applicable,</p>
<p dir="ltr">All this is based on a maximum of £10,000,000 which is what the Orchard in Dartford required and is the higher of two evils, the other being £5,000,000 and does not include professional indemnity, which is apparently not necessary for our needs.</p>
<p dir="ltr">That's roughly £200 per annum. Divide monthly that's roughly £17. After the last meet (and on the mail list) when discussing paying to keep KLUG running I remember people offered to chip in. If that number could reach 12, £20 each may not be a stretch. An other option could be to raise it. Either through grants - long, laborious and sometimes unfruitful - or by charging a small fee for an "open(source) day", perhaps our version of the makerspace ;-). Any other ideas in this area anybody?</p>
<p dir="ltr">So I suppose I'm asking those in the makerspace know for any further information, that is if anybody bothered read the entirety of this message lol.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I agree that KLUG could loose many members should we impose an annual fee. How would it be determined who is a member, by applying it to the entire mailing list? I bet most on the list don't attend for whatever reason. By charging at the door? The number of attendees fluctuates to much to guarantee collecting enough money in time for one. <br>
>Are we actually wanting to do events where we meet? From experience of event management over the years I know its easy for people to say they are interested and are coming but actually the numbers that you end with can be vastly different. I know things crop up and that is fine.</p>
<p dir="ltr">For an event I would say KLUG could do some social marketing (the only "free" form of marketing I know other than networking) to attract a wider audience. Could KLUG charge a small fee here? This could raise the attendance for one. IMO I feel that if there is a speaker and / or a presentation that the event would be more popular with a BYOD, casual talk "after show/party". That and it's more in line with a LUG.</p>
<p dir="ltr">As I've been writing this for nearly an hour on and off I will also like add that KLUG could adopt a core group model. Perhaps made up of; people who regularly attend; who are willing to chip in; who know they will be able to attend for the foreseeable future, sporadically or not; have future interests in the group; either or all or perhaps a mixture. Who knows, I'm just kicking some ideas around.... <br><br></p>
<p dir="ltr">Excuse the formatting of this email. It's hard to do bullets without Markdown in the Android Gmail app, Lol!</p>
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most would go to was £500 but he managed to fine for that would
do it for £230 which is very good indeed.</p>
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makerspace but only this space and not the former space in
Canterbury. If we wanted to move it would cost a bit more to
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There are a few on this list that have maker space experience...
Which Canterbury one is that?<br>
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stuff taking a little time ... Agree, PLI is an obstacle
for KLUG due to the totally informal nature. May need to
think about a small annual subscription for KLUG. A
Makerspace ..? May be beyond my skills/time .. but tell me
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Annual subscription.... Well, that caused the initial rift at the
formation of the LUG back in 2001/2. A bit of history into why I've
not ventured back that way. I took over the LUG at this time and was
searching for a venue (nothing ever changes) but I was lucky to find
a computer club up in Maidstone, they were desparate for members as
due to the internet their numbers were dropping as most were using
that to find help. They were a long established club with a formal
AGM and member subscriptions with a nice large hall. I jumped at the
chance as it gave our new group a foot hold, as at the time Linux
was in demand and people were looking for help with installations. <br>
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Soon we were out numbering the original members and they being
Windows based were starting to feel a little resentful and so myself
and a number of other members became full members of their club so
we could support the costs. But still the venue prices went up and
the club wanted more of a cost to cover it so we had to ask members
to give support. That failed and lead to us and the club going
separate ways. The sudden loss of income I think caused that club to
end.<br>
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Now I have nothing against having subscriptions as such, the
requirement there would be that it would have to be a commitment on
all sides in support from more people to make the group actually
function as a committee as after all, this is not Kev's Geeky Chat
Time, its a User Group. With having a firm core we can then deliver
on that subscription, do proper events at proper paid locations, get
people in to talk and perhaps group trips out. These things take
time and effort, I have little time myself, but it can be done, for
example last Saturday after three months of arranging things I
managed to pull off a very important symposium with very busy people
from all over the country at a venue I had never been to before in
Bristol. What I am saying is, if there is demand and commitment this
kind of thing can be done and I am willing to do so.<br>
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Are we actually wanting to do events where we meet? From experience
of event management over the years I know its easy for people to say
they are interested and are coming but actually the numbers that you
end with can be vastly different. I know things crop up and that is
fine.<br>
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A bit long winded way of saying yes we can but we will lose many
because of it. But if we are left with those who are committed and
passionate about the group then I don't feel that is a huge loss. We
can do a lot with LUG if we tried.<br>
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Looking at the meetup site (which I utterly hate) the next payment
is due in July. I may or may not renew that. This weekend I will get
some dates for social meets at the pub, I first need to find out
what times they open as I don't go to pubs and how no idea what
opening times are.<br>
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Skiner <<a href="mailto:junkfoodjunki@gmail.com" target="_blank">junkfoodjunki@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<div dir="ltr">- It's an "Empty" shop unit with
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- Has tea and coffee making facilities, <br clear="none">
- Needs Public Liability, <br clear="none">
- Contact: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" href="mailto:debbiecarey@orchardsdartford.co.uk" target="_blank">debbiecarey@orchardsdartford.co.uk</a></div>
<div dir="ltr">So for KLUG may not be great due to
needing public liability insurance. As for a
makerspace, well I may look into getting public
liability insurance for the club (not an
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks great. I have sent an
email over the weekend. If I don't get a
response I was going to follow up today,
but let me know what they say. </div>
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contact the Orchard today asking
what they mean by community
group and come back to you. If
it's positive, I'd be up to
help.</span></div>
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