<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Wayne Ward <<a href="mailto:wayne@lancastercomputers.co.uk">wayne@lancastercomputers.co.uk</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">15 October 2009 18:55:24 GMT+01:00<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Gareth Lees <<a href="mailto:ridecar2@googlemail.com">ridecar2@googlemail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Re: [Lancaster] Virtual box fedora install</b><br></span></div><br><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yes i was looking at testing with that - for small to medium businesses I usually get them a dell of the shelf with red hat included <div>so centos is good for testing m8 good idea</div><div><br></div><div>and your back !!! im just trying to get a email address fixed for a good friend of mine who is watching the mailing list but cant reply...</div><div>im on with it right now...</div><div><br></div><div>wayne</div><div><br><div><div>On 15 Oct 2009, at 18:33, Gareth Lees wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>If you're going to try something like rh server go for centos, rhel but free!<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 15 Oct 2009, at 18:09, Wayne Ward <<a href="mailto:wayne@lancastercomputers.co.uk">wayne@lancastercomputers.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Hi ken i hope i am ready for rpm as i am rhce and rhct registered!!!<div>and been using red hat from day one!!!<br><div><div>commercially ive had clusters running and from a personal point of view i preferred gentoo on the boxes!!</div>
<div>but when it comes to getting external support for the servers incase i get hit by a bus they tend to ask for red hat servers</div><div>i know novell and ubuntu have support packages and are commercial all the corporates i deal with and have dealt with in the past ten years </div>
<div>will only offer support on red hat.</div><div>When i have been doing the different installs id say out of the newbie installs id go for ubuntu for a few simple reasons - the easiest install - probably the most popular and easiest to get help on and its probably got all the tools you need to configure it in the menus and installs plugins and hardware drivers out of the box!!! plus it comes on one cd!! one of the reasons i never tested suse is because ih has three cd's or one dvd !! - i tested fedora because it was a one cd distro but probably wouldnt waste another cd on it again!!</div>
<div><br></div><div>on another side when you move onto the next level gentoo is quality i love it i just feels great - arch came in second - zen ? mmm dont know about this one! and on another level netbsd was easy install - fast install - but need to learn how to administer it - I think ill just be sticking to gentoo!!!</div>
<div><br></div><div>the summary is ill be using ubuntu for friends customers and recomondations to newbies - serves it a toss up between debian and ubuntu im going to to test both next week and see whats gong to be best for this i might even try red hat server!!! </div>
<div>for me for my own linux boxes im going to use gentoo - im just going to build one thats going to run full time in a virtual box on my server that link checks all my sites and emails me bad links on my sites and also use it as a nagios that monitors all my web services and servers - ill get this to text me when something drops off line!!! - nice project ive set quite a few of these up </div>
<div><br></div><div>ps check me next email folks.... (after ive had a brew!)</div><div><br></div><div>wayne </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 15 Oct 2009, at 17:15, Ken Hough wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite"><div>On Wednesday 14 October 2009 20:39:50 Wayne Ward wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Just tested a fedora install on a virtual box - it never saw the drive<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
saw changed the chipset type from PIIX4 to PIIX3 and its working<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">must admit its very much the same as ubuntu from the outside<br></blockquote><br>Appearances Gnome and KDE aren't going to differ too much between distros.<br>
<br><br><blockquote type="cite">going to <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">look at administration tools on the system and then have a look at<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">dare i say it RPM ....<br></blockquote>
<br>Come on! Be brave! :-)<br><br>Seriously, RPM can be approached either via the basic 'rpm' tool, or via a <br>decent installation manager like (present day) Yast. In the former case, <br>dependencies are flagged up but not installed. In the later case, just like <br>
under the Ububtu/Debian managers, all should be automatically attended to.<br><br>and for those who do not wish to use a GUI manager, Yast can run under a <br>terminal screen via ncurses.<br><br>Red Hat and SUSE are both well respected at the corporate level, so RPM can't <br>
be too bad. ;-)<br><br><blockquote type="cite">6/10 for a install to many questions and giving a root password havent<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">done that for a while!!.. the boot screen just put me off full style<br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ive kept the iso incase anyone wants to see the install<br></blockquote><br>I have Fedora 10, Debian 5, Ubuntu 9, and other distros and OSes installed <br>under Virtual Box. I'm now reasonably comfortable with using (playing with?) <br>
all of these distros, but I have yet to see any good reason to move away from <br>my present base system of openSUSE 11.1.<br><br>To some extent it comes down to what one is used to. Let's face it, all of <br>the main stream distros are pretty damn good these days.<br>
<br>I recommend that newbies DO NOT set about TRYING OUT various distros. They are <br>different and more or less guaranteed to confuse. Choose a distro according <br>to what you think is needed and at least to begin with, STICK WITH IT!<br>
<br>Wayne, I'm not suggesting that you are a newbie. Perhaps you might be ready <br>for RPM. ;-) ;-) ;-)<br><br>Regards<br><br><br>Ken Hough<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Lancaster mailing list<br>
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