<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">ha ha ha - cheeky :-O<div><br></div><div>im smiling :)<br><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div>Wayne</div><div><br><div><div><div>On 15 Oct 2009, at 18:10, Ken Hough wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>Wayne,<br><br>I'm sure that you realise that some of the comments in my previous message <br>were definitely "tongue in cheek"<br><br><br>Ken hough<br><br><br>On Thursday 15 October 2009 18:05:40 you wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Hi ken i hope i am ready for rpm as i am rhce and rhct registered!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and been using red hat from day one!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">commercially ive had clusters running and from a personal point of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">view i preferred gentoo on the boxes!!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">but when it comes to getting external support for the servers incase i<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">get hit by a bus they tend to ask for red hat servers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">i know novell and ubuntu have support packages and are commercial all<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the corporates i deal with and have dealt with in the past ten years<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">will only offer support on red hat.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">When i have been doing the different installs id say out of the newbie<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">installs id go for ubuntu for a few simple reasons - the easiest<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">install - probably the most popular and easiest to get help on and its<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">probably got all the tools you need to configure it in the menus and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">installs plugins and hardware drivers out of the box!!! plus it comes<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on one cd!! one of the reasons i never tested suse is because ih has<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">three cd's or one dvd !! - i tested fedora because it was a one cd<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">distro but probably wouldnt waste another cd on it again!!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">on another side when you move onto the next level gentoo is quality i<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">love it i just feels great - arch came in second - zen ? mmm dont know<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">about this one! and on another level netbsd was easy install - fast<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">install - but need to learn how to administer it - I think ill just be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sticking to gentoo!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">the summary is ill be using ubuntu for friends customers and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">recomondations to newbies - serves it a toss up between debian and<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ubuntu im going to to test both next week and see whats gong to be<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">best for this i might even try red hat server!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">for me for my own linux boxes im going to use gentoo - im just going<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to build one thats going to run full time in a virtual box on my<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">server that link checks all my sites and emails me bad links on my<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">sites and also use it as a nagios that monitors all my web services<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and servers - ill get this to text me when something drops off line!!!<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">- nice project ive set quite a few of these up<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">ps check me next email folks.... (after ive had a brew!)<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">wayne<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On 15 Oct 2009, at 17:15, Ken Hough wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Wednesday 14 October 2009 20:39:50 Wayne Ward wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Just tested a fedora install on a virtual box - it never saw the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">drive<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">saw changed the chipset type from PIIX4 to PIIX3 and its working<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">must admit its very much the same as ubuntu from the outside<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Appearances Gnome and KDE aren't going to differ too much between<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">distros.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">going to<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">look at administration tools on the system and then have a look at<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">dare i say it RPM ....<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Come on! Be brave! :-)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Seriously, RPM can be approached either via the basic 'rpm' tool, or<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">via a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">decent installation manager like (present day) Yast. In the former<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">case,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">dependencies are flagged up but not installed. In the later case,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">just like<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">under the Ububtu/Debian managers, all should be automatically<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">attended to.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">and for those who do not wish to use a GUI manager, Yast can run<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">under a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">terminal screen via ncurses.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Red Hat and SUSE are both well respected at the corporate level, so<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">RPM can't<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be too bad. ;-)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">6/10 for a install to many questions and giving a root password<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">havent<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">done that for a while!!.. the boot screen just put me off full style<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">ive kept the iso incase anyone wants to see the install<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I have Fedora 10, Debian 5, Ubuntu 9, and other distros and OSes<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">installed<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">under Virtual Box. I'm now reasonably comfortable with using<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">(playing with?)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">all of these distros, but I have yet to see any good reason to move<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">away from<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">my present base system of openSUSE 11.1.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">To some extent it comes down to what one is used to. Let's face it,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">all of<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">the main stream distros are pretty damn good these days.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I recommend that newbies DO NOT set about TRYING OUT various<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">distros. They are<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">different and more or less guaranteed to confuse. Choose a distro<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">according<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">to what you think is needed and at least to begin with, STICK WITH IT!<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Wayne, I'm not suggesting that you are a newbie. Perhaps you might<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">be ready<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">for RPM. ;-) ;-) ;-)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Regards<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Ken Hough<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">_______________________________________________<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Lancaster mailing list<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:Lancaster@mailman.lug.org.uk">Lancaster@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lancaster">https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/lancaster</a><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Regards,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Wayne ward<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">07957448652<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Lancaster Computers<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="http://www.lancastercomputers.co.uk">www.lancastercomputers.co.uk</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:wayne@lancastercomputers.co.uk">wayne@lancastercomputers.co.uk</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Computers - Laptops - Servers - Web Services<br></blockquote><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>
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