<br clear="all"><font size="4">Hello everyone<br>
I have been listening in on this conversation with interest.<br>
I have never been to any of the meetings because Liverpool City Centre is a bit too far and costly for me to travel to.<br>Indeed this is the only the second conversation I have joined in.<br><br>Mike obviously needs to get a move on if he is going to get anything set for schools opening day. <br>
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I am just a poor old Linux User, unemployed and nothing to do all day ..... get the violins out.<br>
Any offers would be gratefully received . <br>
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I have managed to build my own Linux network at home with a few old computers etc.<br>
SMB Server with SAMBA to act as a Windows File Server and UBUNTU <br>
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I could offer some spare time but the travelling
to Huyton is a bit beyond my means. I would also need to qualify my time maybe as a volunteer with some expenses <br>
If someone else could offer their advice and experience I think Mikes
School project would be something to be very proud of, as an example to
more schools.<br>
If funding could be found to cover what is needed, enthusiastic Linux users would be in the making.<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/8/19 Simon Johnson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simon.johnson@gmail.com">simon.johnson@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div><br> </div>While I agree that it's 100% about the end user, I don't agree that<br>software freedom is incompatible with this. Software freedom empowers<br>users. One specific benefit for a school is that it allows pupils to<br>
take home copies of the software they use at school (no more need to<br>shell out for a brand new pc and MS Office). It also allows them to<br>share the 'cool' programs they find with their friends, rather than<br>
being told it's wrong. Obviously there are more benefits, but that one<br>is good to start with.<br></blockquote>
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</div><div>Obviously freedom two is a great sales tool!</div>
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<div>When we talk about <i>free software</i> we usually define that term as having all four of the freedoms protected. </div>
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<div>I think that is wrong to try and promote freedom one and freedom three to users. Very few users really want to modify and redistribute the software.</div>
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<div>For example, the popular windows program Paint.NET is free in the sense of freedom zero and freedom two yet is unfree with respect to freedom one and freedom three. Other popular programs such as the chat client mIRC are free in this limited sense, but not free in the full-blooded sense.</div>
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<div>This was the sense in which I disagree with talking about the political manifesto of the free software movement when trying to sell users free software. Trying to explain to a user why they should run GIMP over Paint .NET is confusing and totally counterproductive. They just won't get it.</div>
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<div>At the end of the day, Linux <i>is</i> a competitor to Windows 7 and OSX. It has to win that battle on merit. Linux won the battle for the server room entirely on merit. Now it needs to conquer the desktop too.</div>
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<div>It should compete, pound for pound, feature for feature with these operating systems and by sheer technical excellence it should come out on top.</div>
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<div>We should not give it a free pass simply because it has a trendy political philosophy! The software has to deliver for the <i>users, </i>first and foremost.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>Simon Johnson</div>
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