<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>To be honest I have used both Iceweasel and Ff on Debianamd Ubuntu. The experience I had was not terrible for either browser. I had untold trouble with Opera, for the life in me I could not get Flash to work. Thatsaid as a browser it was alot slicker than either of the Mozilla based browsers. Lets not fudge things here by introducing a browser for an operating emvirent that so weak and full of flaws and failings that it makes a plan by Baldrick se like a good idea. Even in it's latest incarnation rather than fix the problems it's authors are trying to bully website devs into using it's buggy standards. </div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On 6 Sep 2009, at 14:12, Vladimir <<a href="mailto:vladimir.jakubovskij@gmail.com">vladimir.jakubovskij@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><br></div><div>the reason i suggested such a heretical action is was simply to emplore you to (and i quote you directly) "see with your own eyes" that the alternative browsers for Windows, when compared to their Linux* brethen, are faster and more responsive.</div>
</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>considering that it is quite obvious that you haven't used Windows for quite some time, </div></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>actually i NEVER had windows installed on any of my computers. but that doesn't mean that i didn't see </div><div><br></div><div>how that works (on the machines that are not mine). once again will have to repeat myself: yes, firefox works better on mac os x than on linux so i know the difference and the problems that exist. </div>
<div><br></div></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>i fail to see how you can voraciously claim that the viewpoint of Simon and myself is incorrect.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>well, what i want to say. hope you will listen carefully.</div><div>when simon replied originally to the first email of this thread, he made a point that the "browser experience" on linux is so bad, that it is unusable (at least for him, so he switched to windows7).</div>
<div><br></div><div>yes, i don't agree with that. well, this is my viewpoint. and i can assure you, i have strong arguments to support it, but that would spawn this discussion far beyond browser experience. </div><div>
<br></div><div>or maybe you want me to agree on this:</div><div>><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(80, 0, 80); ">It's sad, because I enjoyed every <em>other</em> part of the Linux. But Linux without a half decent browser is practically useless.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>no, i won't ever agree, that FF (linux) and Opera can't even qualify as "half-decent" browser. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div>you have absolutely NO correlation on this subject.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>once again, don't be so sure about other ppl experiences and what they know or think. helps making some insulting statements. like the one above. </div>
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<div></div><div>as for this debate, the only thing i have left to say is said with the greatest amount of humour i can throw onto my sword:</div><div><br></div><div>in communist russia, the mailing list eats you!<br></div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>that is how it was meant in the first place - with a greatest ammount of humour. some ppl just too take things too seriously sometimes.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1880/linuxcommunist.jpg"><a href="http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1880/linuxcommunist.jpg">http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1880/linuxcommunist.jpg</a></a> :) </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/6 Vladimir <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vladimir.jakubovskij@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:vladimir.jakubovskij@gmail.com">vladimir.jakubovskij@gmail.com</a></a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>p.s. those strict rules work well for those groups mentioned. it makes ppl stay focused on <i>solving</i> problems rather than saying, oh it doesn't work that well, so let's move to windows (or give it a try, as it was in this thread). </div>
<div>and that is one of the reasons, russian (as an example that i have been a witness for many years now) linux communities are really strong. if it doesn't work, so let's see how to make it work. that's is the attitude i employ. that is what makes me a linux user.</div>
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