once again, as i said: on my gentoo and suse boxes firefox rarely uses more than 170-230mb of virtual memory (systems have 4gb and 512mb of physical ram respectively). so it makes it an ultimate cross-platform extensible browser for me :)<div>
<br></div><div>.v<br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/9/8 Dan Lynch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:biglynchy@gmail.com">biglynchy@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I still haven't read all of the mammoth thread about browsers and Windows 7 yet (saving that for a quiet night hehe), but the topic of Firefox has come up in a few LUG meetings. It seems a few people don't like it. For my money I love Firefox and use it 90% of the time I'm on a computer. I'm using it now to write this.<br>
<br>Not trying to start any more arguments, just thought I'd register my position on the subject. I'm sure you were dying to know that really. See you all at the next meeting I hope :)<br><br>Ta<br><font color="#888888"><br>
Dan</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Paul Leech <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pleech@gmail.com" target="_blank">pleech@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
Maybe bestbuy could add, don't try Linux as the browser experience is rubbish, buy Windows 7 instead!<br><br>Firefox is a splendid application and should be supported as should all open source endeavours.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
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Sounds like a good idea.<br>
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Any Saturday (except this one) is good with me.<br>
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2009/9/8 Will Noakes <<a href="mailto:wnoakes@yahoo.com" target="_blank">wnoakes@yahoo.com</a>><br>
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> sorry can't make it this saturday, going to a rave in the Williamson's<br>
> Tunnels :D<br>
><br>
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>> While short notice, would anyone be up for it this Saturday?<br>
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>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Andrew Williams <<a href="mailto:andy@tensixtyone.com" target="_blank">andy@tensixtyone.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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>>> When Microsoft are spreading the FUD at retail level, how can Linux<br>
>>> defend itself? Jo public is looking at the "experts" at retail stores to<br>
>>> direct their purchases, we've already seen this happen with the fight<br>
>>> over Linux vs. Windows netbooks.<br>
>>><br>
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>>><br>
>>><br>
>> I read this yesterday and it's pretty sickening. They're saying that<br>
>> Windows is more secure than Linux because it gets regular security updates.<br>
>> Regular?! Once a month on patch Tuesday, really regular that. Most Linux<br>
>> distros get almost daily updates. They also seem to argue it's more secure<br>
>> because there are anti-virus & malware products available for Windows from<br>
>> large vendors. Completely ignoring the fact you don't need those things on<br>
>> Linux. They are still available if you want them, ClamAV etc.<br>
>><br>
>> It's not hard to see why the "experts" in most shops are so full of shit<br>
>> with training programs like this. The whole "take our brainwashing course<br>
>> and get a cheap copy of Windows" approach bothers me as well. Typical MS<br>
>> buying people off with bribes and spreading their misinformation.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm glad someone brought this to light. How much else is out there that we<br>
>> don't know about though? The mind boggles.<br>
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You're not even available this saturday Andy!<br>
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2009/9/8 Andrew Williams <<a href="mailto:andy@tensixtyone.com" target="_blank">andy@tensixtyone.com</a>><br>
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> At the last meeting we had the usual discussion about pub locations and<br>
> such, The Welkin, while cheap is a bit of a trek away.<br>
><br>
> So, maybe time for a LUG pub crawl, to find a new local watering hole!<br>
><br>
> While short notice, would anyone be up for it this Saturday?<br>
><br>
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Subject: Re: [Liverpool] LUGCrawl?<br>
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> You're not even available this saturday Andy!<br>
><br>
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Oh god that's funny :D Nice one Andy. I'm not sure I could make it this<br>
Saturday but that seems academic now as neither can anyone else. I'm off to<br>
America next Friday for LinuxCon (any excuse to mention that), so next week<br>
is out and probably the one after. If you can decide on a date let me know<br>
and I'll do my best to get there :)<br>
<br>
While I'm not against going out on a Saturday night (at all), I'm not<br>
convinced it will help us to decide which pub would be quietest on a<br>
Thursday night. I've just had a thought actually and I can't believe it<br>
never occurred to me before. We could use 3345 on Parr St as a post LUG<br>
watering hole. It's got free wi-fi and everything. Not the cheapest bar in<br>
town but not extortionate either. There's also Studio 2 downstairs which is<br>
bigger and very nice. Not too far to walk from LSC. Just a couple of streets<br>
over.<br>
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:27:02 +0100<br>
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Subject: Re: [Liverpool] Bestbuy's Linux training<br>
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> shame the screenshots there are not available :(<br>
><br>
<br>
Oh I hadn't looked at the actual link Andy posted. I was sent a link to a<br>
mirror of that thread complete with screenshots yesterday. They will only<br>
wind you up trust me, pure FUD, but here you go -<br>
<a href="http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html" target="_blank">http://quaoar.ww7.be/ms_fud_of_the_year/569458-microsoft-attack-linux-retail-level-probably.html</a><br>
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Scroll down past all the blatant advertising at the top.<br>
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<br>
This isnt a daytime activity :)<br>
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Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 13:43:44 +0100<br>
From: Andrew Williams <<a href="mailto:andy@tensixtyone.com" target="_blank">andy@tensixtyone.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Liverpool] LUGCrawl?<br>
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> Oh god that's funny :D Nice one Andy. I'm not sure I could make it this<br>
> Saturday but that seems academic now as neither can anyone else. I'm off to<br>
> America next Friday for LinuxCon (any excuse to mention that), so next week<br>
> is out and probably the one after. If you can decide on a date let me know<br>
> and I'll do my best to get there :)<br>
><br>
> While I'm not against going out on a Saturday night (at all), I'm not<br>
> convinced it will help us to decide which pub would be quietest on a<br>
> Thursday night. I've just had a thought actually and I can't believe it<br>
> never occurred to me before. We could use 3345 on Parr St as a post LUG<br>
> watering hole. It's got free wi-fi and everything. Not the cheapest bar in<br>
> town but not extortionate either. There's also Studio 2 downstairs which is<br>
> bigger and very nice. Not too far to walk from LSC. Just a couple of streets<br>
> over.<br>
<br>
Good point, I think we'll need to pre-arrange as from what I remember<br>
3345 is a members club. Its simple and free to signup but it presents<br>
problems if we have non members turning up. I dunno, I know Geekup hold<br>
their meets there so I guess it'll be a case of mailing them.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Andrew Williams<br>
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