<p>oh Nokia aren't confused about where they're going with the N900 - it was a proof of concept that they basically decided to release to the public and swiftly drop support for.</p>
<p>Everyone who has attended the LUG for a while now probably know my qualms with the N900. That being said, as Dan quite rightly puts it, the N900 would fit the scope of what you're looking for. You can even get a bootloader for it and have multiple OSes installed.</p>
<p>Incidentally, I'm looking to sell mine ;)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 8 Oct 2010 14:00, "Sebastian" <<a href="mailto:shop@open-t.co.uk">shop@open-t.co.uk</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">> Hi Dan,<br>> <br>> On 10/08/2010 01:00 PM, Dan Lynch wrote:<br>
>> I'm no expert on this but you asked about devices already running a full<br>>> Linux OS on ARM. The N900 does this with the Snapdragon processor. Maemo<br>>> is a modified but thankfully not dumbed down version of Debian. We all<br>
>> know the problems of it's lack of direction and uncertainty with the<br>>> move to Meego. I'm not sure if it would make a good place to base future<br>>> projects until it settles down but it is an example of the ARM/Linux<br>
>> touch screen marriage working well.<br>> <br>> Yes, I did realised that I (nearly) forgot about the N900. I think of <br>> everything we talked about until now - N900 is the closest to a <br>> universally useful ARM device which would lend itself to further <br>
> customisation. Shame that Nokia seem so confused about where they are <br>> going with it.<br>> <br>> Sebastian<br>> <br>>><br>>> Dan<br>>><br>>><br>>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Jérôme Fuselier<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:jerome.fuselier@free.fr">jerome.fuselier@free.fr</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:jerome.fuselier@free.fr">jerome.fuselier@free.fr</a>>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> Very close to the beaglboard but with real controls there's the<br>
>> Pandora handheld that runs Linux on a ARM processor.<br>>><br>>> <a href="http://openpandora.org/">http://openpandora.org/</a><br>>><br>>> But it's still hard to get one :(<br>
>><br>>><br>>><br>>> On 10/08/2010 11:27 AM, Graeme Dyas wrote:<br>>>> >From what I can remember it's not that simple. You can't just<br>>>> install the OS. You need some kind of boot-loader installed or you<br>
>>> need a JTAG programmer. It would<br>>>> be possible to develop a universal boot loader but I don't see<br>>>> this happening any time soon. It would need some kind of standard<br>
>>> bootloader/bios on all ARM Devices.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> If you are interested in seeing how to install Linux on a ARM<br>>>> processor I would check out the <a href="http://beagleboard.org/">http://beagleboard.org/</a> project.<br>
>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> On 7 October 2010 13:39, Sebastian <<a href="mailto:shop@open-t.co.uk">shop@open-t.co.uk</a><br>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:shop@open-t.co.uk">shop@open-t.co.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>> Just a bit of an open topic - more for my general knowledge,<br>>>> if not for anything else :-)<br>>>><br>>>> I was thinking about the fact that the market is being taken<br>
>>> over by these iPad clones (ish) - and all of the ones I've<br>>>> seen seem to be based on some flavour of ARM processor. I was<br>>>> wondering if this would mean a new impetus for the various ARM<br>
>>> Linux distributions out there. I'm aware that there has been<br>>>> continuous effort in this direction over the years - but the<br>>>> most significant ARM devices available for (sort of) mass<br>
>>> consumption have been some hackable routers, and the<br>>>> SheevaPlug device. I'm not really aware about other stuff with<br>>>> ARM inside that you could just buy and install Linux on.<br>
>>><br>>>> Would people here think that we will see new effort directed<br>>>> towards hacking all these cheap(ish) ARM tablets and<br>>>> installing some proper Linux on them. I don't know much about<br>
>>> hardware particularities for these devices - specially things<br>>>> like BIOS (or whatever ARM world tends to call it) - which<br>>>> might make it difficult or impossible to hack around on these.<br>
>>> Or if this might mean that a generic ARM distribution couldn't<br>>>> pull it off - as each device might have esoteric ways of<br>>>> beeing rooted/jail-broken - which would fragment too much the<br>
>>> development effort.<br>>>><br>>>> In case I wasn't clear enough in my ramble :-) : are we going<br>>>> to see a situation, like in the x86 world, where one can just<br>
>>> download an ARM distribution, pick up any ARM tablet, install<br>>>> it and get on with things - kind of some sort of universal<br>>>> compatibility? Again, I don't enough about hardware aspects of<br>
>>> the ARM world - so I would like to know if I'm imagining the<br>>>> impossible.<br>>>><br>>>> Any comments welcome,<br>>>><br>>>> Sebastian<br>
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