From godfrey@itseasy.demon.co.uk Tue Aug 27 07:26:25 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:26:25 +0100 Received: from itseasy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.19.248]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17jZo0-0001V8-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:26:24 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by itseasy.demon.co.uk (8.11.2/8.9.3) id g7R6OSn11037 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:24:28 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Godfrey Nix To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <02082707242708.03384@linux2.gnnix.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Nottingham] new list - same 'old' members Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Reply-To: godfrey@itseasy.demon.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Aug 27 07:27:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 07:24:27 +0100 Hi, The list server software at the UK LUG machine has changed (without any warning to me, I'm afraid so no time to warn everyone on the list in advance). All those subscribed to the list should get this message, so those that have mail filters set up may need to adjust the filter accordingly. I will be updating the web site entry soon. Any more views on the replacement of my pathetic effort with one of the sites recently crafted by enthusiastic helpers? Regards, Godfrey From graeme@graemef.net Tue Aug 27 09:25:53 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:25:53 +0100 Received: from pc3-shep1-4-cust91.not.cable.ntl.com ([80.6.195.91] helo=server.graemef.net) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17jbfd-0003nO-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:25:53 +0100 Received: from localhost (graeme@localhost) by server.graemef.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA16472 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:25:52 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: server.graemef.net: graeme owned process doing -bs From: Graeme Fowler To: Message-ID: X-Spam-Not-Welcome: don't even think about it. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Nottingham] Header test Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Aug 27 09:26:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:25:52 +0100 (BST) Howdy folks Just a quick message so that there's two messages (min & Godfrey's) to check the headers on - it's possible as Godfrey's the list admin that his could be slightly different. Filter changes ahoy :) G From rob_davies@ntlworld.com Tue Aug 27 12:08:31 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:08:31 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17jeD1-0007i5-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:08:31 +0100 Received: from there ([80.4.137.28]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020827110830.DPTD290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:08:30 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert Davies To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Header test X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020827110830.DPTD290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Aug 27 12:09:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:04:39 +0100 Gotcha Gra. looks like they didn't quite kill the list! On Tuesday 27 August 2002 09:25, you wrote: > List-Id: Would be the header to filter on, looks like the majordomo based list didn't use that header at all. Rob From notlug@paul.sladen.org Tue Aug 27 12:20:10 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:10 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17jeOI-00089J-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:10 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BBC3D7A507; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE4891FA4 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:09 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: Nottingham LUG Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Header test In-Reply-To: <20020827110830.DPTD290.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Message-ID: X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Aug 27 12:21:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:20:09 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, Robert Davies wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2002 09:25, you wrote: > > List-Id: > Would be the header to filter on, looks like the majordomo based list didn't > use that header at all. I tend to filter on `Sender:' headers which are pretty much universal: :0: * ^Sender: owner-nottingham@lists.lug.org.uk IN.notlug :0: * ^Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk IN.notlug Showing the `then' and `now' procmail filters. I've also had to update my Mail Client `Roles' so that it automatically sets my reply address and finally my address book. There also now appears to be a Pipermail archive at: http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/nottingham/ which seems to have been given priority over Simon's :)--I read this post on there about 3minutes before it arrived in my Inbox! Given ability of LUG.Org.UK to change things on the whime, I'd suggest keeping up the seperate archive!... -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From camo_linux@ntlworld.com Fri Aug 30 04:57:21 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:57:21 +0100 Received: from mta05-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.45]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17kcuP-0006G0-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:57:21 +0100 Received: from there ([80.7.16.19]) by mta05-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020830035720.ODWK1968.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@there> for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:57:20 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: mark Organization: private To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Header test X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020830035720.ODWK1968.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Aug 30 04:58:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:59:54 +0100 I didn't have to change a thing, as i am filtering for '[Nottingham] :) On Tuesday 27 Aug 2002 9:25 am, you wrote: > Howdy folks > > Just a quick message so that there's two messages (min & Godfrey's) to > check the headers on - it's possible as Godfrey's the list admin that his > could be slightly different. > > Filter changes ahoy :) > > G > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham From martin@wrasse.demon.co.uk Fri Aug 30 19:50:27 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:50:27 +0100 Received: from wrasse.demon.co.uk ([62.49.23.218]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17kqqh-0005oo-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:50:27 +0100 Received: from localhost (martin@localhost) by wrasse.demon.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7UK5Sb27333 for ; Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:05:28 +0100 From: Martin Garton To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Nottingham] Wireless networking Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Aug 30 19:51:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 21:05:27 +0100 (BST) Hi, I've been playing around with a couple wireless network cards in two of my machines, and I'm looking for advice/help from anyone who has done similar. Both cards are prismII based. One is an "IBM High-rate Wireless LAN PC Card 128" and the other is an "SMC EZ Connect Wireless (SMC2632W)" I have the IBM card in a desktop machine (via a pcmcia <-> isa bridge) and the other in my laptop. I have both interfaces up and iwconfig parms set correctly I believe. They are both operating in "proper" ad-hoc mode and can talk to each other okay. eg, I can ssh from one machine to the other. So far so good. However, during file transfer such as ftp, I only get about 10kB/s and I expected much more. Both cards are using orinico_cs.o currently. I have tried wvlan_cs with similar results. Does this kind of throughput sound much too low? I expected something approaching 1MB/s Regards, Martin. From leehughes@mail.totalise.co.uk Sun Sep 01 16:38:11 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:38:11 +0100 Received: from [217.32.175.131] (helo=mail.totalise.co.uk) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17lWnj-0000V9-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Sun, 01 Sep 2002 16:38:11 +0100 Received: from tosh@moog.astarix.co.uk [80.4.204.5] (leehughes@mail.totalise.co.uk) by mail.totalise.co.uk; Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:37:43 +0100 X-WM-Posted-At: mail.totalise.co.uk; Sun, 1 Sep 02 16:37:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Wireless networking From: Lee To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Message-Id: <1030894415.2570.115.camel@tosh@moog.astarix.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Sep 1 16:39:01 2002 X-Original-Date: 01 Sep 2002 16:33:33 +0100 hmm, whats the output from iwconfig? any errors, lost frames? any weird kernel problem's showing in dmesg? any hardware conflicts at the interrupt level (cat /proc/interrupts) have you try using a different channel, you may be getting interference from near by taxi firms ;-)... Might be a vendor interoperablity problem, make sure there both working in true 802.11b mode. if the 11/mb cards, you should at *best* see around 5/mbs a second..at best... more likey 2/mbs a second, (that's around 200k per second). have you tried any but ftp, perhaps a large http transfer? the stats from iwconfig and ifconfig might tell us more. Cheers, Lee 'Will fix linux for beer' On Fri, 2002-08-30 at 21:05, Martin Garton wrote: > > Hi, > > I've been playing around with a couple wireless network cards in two of > my machines, and I'm looking for advice/help from anyone who has > done similar. > > Both cards are prismII based. One is an "IBM High-rate Wireless LAN PC > Card 128" and the other is an "SMC EZ Connect Wireless (SMC2632W)" > > I have the IBM card in a desktop machine (via a pcmcia <-> isa bridge) > and the other in my laptop. I have both interfaces up and iwconfig parms > set correctly I believe. They are both operating in "proper" ad-hoc mode > and can talk to each other okay. eg, I can ssh from one machine to the > other. So far so good. However, during file transfer such as ftp, I only > get about 10kB/s and I expected much more. > > Both cards are using orinico_cs.o currently. I have tried wvlan_cs with > similar results. > > Does this kind of throughput sound much too low? I expected something > approaching 1MB/s > > Regards, > Martin. > > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham From jonathan@jonmasters.org Mon Sep 02 04:57:43 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 04:57:43 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk ([195.82.125.32] helo=smtp.mailbox.net.uk) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17liLP-0004Vd-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 04:57:43 +0100 Received: from [212.18.227.82] (helo=apogee) by smtp.mailbox.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17liLO-0007fG-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 04:57:42 +0100 Received: from gw-2.int.jonmasters.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=router.int.jonmasters.org) by apogee with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17liLC-0006LY-00 for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 04:57:30 +0100 Received: from localhost (mastersj@localhost) by router.int.jonmasters.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA32486 for ; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:53:32 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: router.int.jonmasters.org: mastersj owned process doing -bs From: Jon Masters X-Sender: mastersj@router To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Nottingham] [OxLUG] Why I hate WinNT ACLs...venting stream time. (fwd) Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Sep 2 04:58:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 04:53:30 +0100 (BST) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 00:20:32 +0100 (BST) From: Jon Masters Reply-To: oxlug@lists.oxlug.org To: oxlug@lists.oxlug.org Subject: [OxLUG] Why I hate WinNT ACLs...venting stream time. Hi, So I just spent most of the day (and missed OxLUG as a consequence though probably wouldn't have made it anyway...) with the following setup and now I'm going to let you all have a laugh over my tribulations. Previously I have gone with a more tried and tested "set up loads of UN*X permissions and stick in nasty hack type permission forcing on share definitions" - but that is not always a viable solution, as in this case. DOMAIN A ------ TRUST RELATIONSHIP ------> DOMAIN B | | |_ NT SERVER 1 |_ NT SERVER 2 | | |_ SAMBA 2.2.5* |_ SAMBA 2.2.5* (2.4.19/RAID/LVM/ext3/etc.) (2.4.19/RAID/LVM/ext3/etc.) I wanted to replace NT SERVER 1 and NT SERVER 2 completely (well not completely, they still want Exchange for variously varied reasons and I kind of prefer the people who look after it using a familiar frontend) but due to the Trust Relationship code only just going in to CVS about now I didn't really want to have a go and screw everything completely :-) So, the two Samba boxen had to join the two DOMAINs and act as servers supporting NT ACLs, Winbind, etc. It is just about working correctly now (though there are some annoyances with ACL translation and user (my) interpretation of what should and should not work (leading me to eventually realise it aint broken just not doing what I thought after a nice long -d 10 session this evening debug what the fsck was happening)). Has anyone else tried getting Winbind and NT ACL support working transparently? (how about the OUCS types here, I know Nottingham don't do it particularly but they end up with silly numbers of groups everywhere) on a resonably large scale (here it's only about 400-500 users). I can tell you, it isn't the most relaxing and enjoyable Sunday afternoon :-) The one remaining "problem" is that I need to e.g. do a chown DOMAIN+USER on a file before that user can set any ACLs even if they have other permissions which might fool me in to thinking they should be allowed. This is just down to my general feeling on how these things should work but it's certainly not unique to this implementation. I will make the "Administrators" admin users on the shares in question to help here. Jon. * Custom compile due to lack of bestbits acl support in Woody's package - if anyone knows why this is the case then please do tell me. Generally the ACL packages in Woody also do not work for me (library functions). From duncan@little-wonder.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 03 20:12:01 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:12:01 +0100 Received: from cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.193.18]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mJ5l-0002oU-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:12:01 +0100 Received: from modem-19.actinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.64.19] helo=phoenix) by cmailm1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mJ5k-0006Ot-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:12:00 +0100 Received: from phoenix ([127.0.0.1] helo=little-wonder.freeserve.co.uk ident=duncan) by phoenix with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17mIyd-0000RR-00 for ; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:04:39 +0100 To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk From: Duncan John Fyfe Message-Id: Subject: [Nottingham] September meeting Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 3 20:13:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:04:37 +0100 Ritual dictates this should be tomorrow (4th September 2002) Is anything happening ? Does anyone care ? Have fun, Duncan From david.is@ntlworld.com Tue Sep 03 21:59:55 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:59:55 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mKmB-0004Dh-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 21:59:55 +0100 Received: from m42-mp1.cvx2-b.lei.dial.ntli.net ([213.104.232.42]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020903205954.STJY23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@m42-mp1.cvx2-b.lei.dial.ntli.net> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:59:54 +0100 Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting From: David To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-4) Message-Id: <1031086604.1636.1.camel@DellPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 3 22:00:01 2002 X-Original-Date: 03 Sep 2002 21:56:42 +0100 Afraid I have to move back to uni tomorrow morning... I hope people turn up though. Has anyone else noticed the list has been a bit quiet in the last couple of weeks? - Dave On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 20:04, Duncan John Fyfe wrote: > Ritual dictates this should be tomorrow (4th September 2002) > Is anything happening ? > Does anyone care ? > > Have fun, > Duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham From rich@madgamers.net Tue Sep 03 22:02:22 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:02:22 +0100 Received: from [66.96.230.8] (helo=vapor.liquidweb.com) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mKoY-0004Gj-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:02:22 +0100 Received: from 81-5-138-252.dsl.eclipse.net.uk ([81.5.138.252] helo=workstation) by vapor.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mKaU-0002UH-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 16:47:50 -0400 Message-ID: <016801c2538d$2cc77b00$fc8a0551@workstation> From: "Rich Amies" To: References: <1031086604.1636.1.camel@DellPC> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vapor.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mailman.lug.org.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - madgamers.net X-RBL-Warning: (relays.osirusoft.com) [1] globalinternic, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S397 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 3 22:03:02 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:02:09 +0100 Been quiet? I forgot I was subscribed :o). The site seemed dead, as did the list - I thought it no longer existed! --Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting > Afraid I have to move back to uni tomorrow morning... I hope people turn > up though. Has anyone else noticed the list has been a bit quiet in the > last couple of weeks? > > - Dave > > On Tue, 2002-09-03 at 20:04, Duncan John Fyfe wrote: > > Ritual dictates this should be tomorrow (4th September 2002) > > Is anything happening ? > > Does anyone care ? > > > > Have fun, > > Duncan > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Nottingham mailing list > > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 21/08/2002 From scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk Tue Sep 03 22:43:43 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:43:43 +0100 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mLSZ-0004mP-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 22:43:43 +0100 Received: from m230-mp1.cvx1-a.not.dial.ntli.net ([80.4.128.230]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020903214342.HEBU5047.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@m230-mp1.cvx1-a.not.dial.ntli.net> for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:43:42 +0100 From: Philip Scott To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting User-Agent: KMail/1.4.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200209032238.39860.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Reply-To: scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 3 22:44:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:38:39 +0100 Where do you guys meet? I'm free tomorrow :) On Tuesday 03 September 2002 8:04 pm, Duncan John Fyfe wrote: > Ritual dictates this should be tomorrow (4th September 2002) > Is anything happening ? > Does anyone care ? > > Have fun, > Duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham From matthew@sackman.co.uk Tue Sep 03 23:29:22 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:29:22 +0100 Received: from cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk ([195.92.195.171]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mMAk-0005VC-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:29:22 +0100 Received: from [195.92.168.141] (helo=tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk) by cmailg1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mMAk-0007nU-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:29:22 +0100 Received: from modem-1162.cloyster.dialup.pol.co.uk ([217.135.98.138] helo=scrote) by tmailb1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mMAj-0006ry-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:29:22 +0100 Received: by scrote (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D5B5F5B6; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:29:19 +0100 (BST) To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting Message-ID: <20020903222919.GA1222@scrote> References: <200209032238.39860.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200209032238.39860.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: matthew@sackman.co.uk (Matthew Sackman) Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 3 23:30:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:29:19 +0100 On Tue, Sep 03, 2002 at 10:38:39PM +0100, Philip Scott wrote: > Where do you guys meet? I'm free tomorrow :) Weatherspoons, St. James Street from 8pm ish is the traditional watering hole. Though I have a rehearsal and can't make it anyway... -- Matthew Sackman Nottingham England BOFH Excuse Board: Someone was smoking in the computer room and set off the halon systems. From notlug@paul.sladen.org Wed Sep 04 00:40:22 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:40:22 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mNHS-0006YR-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:40:22 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B0BA87A4F8; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:40:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB1F91FBC for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:40:21 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting In-Reply-To: <200209032238.39860.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 00:41:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:40:21 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Philip Scott wrote: > Where do you guys meet? I'm free tomorrow :) I haven't updated the mailing lists details yet, but the details (and more usefully directions!) are on the following page: http://www.paul.sladen.org/notlug/site/meetings.html Hope to see you there! -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From rich@madgamers.net Wed Sep 04 00:54:10 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:54:10 +0100 Received: from [66.96.230.8] (helo=vapor.liquidweb.com) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mNUn-0006hP-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:54:10 +0100 Received: from 81-5-138-252.dsl.eclipse.net.uk ([81.5.138.252] helo=workstation) by vapor.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mNGj-0007dM-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:39:38 -0400 Message-ID: <019f01c253a5$2decd440$fc8a0551@workstation> From: "Rich Amies" To: References: Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vapor.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mailman.lug.org.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - madgamers.net X-RBL-Warning: (relays.osirusoft.com) [1] globalinternic, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S397 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 00:55:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:52:36 +0100 Are many people attending? What actually happens at these meets? *newbie alert* :o) --Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sladen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting > On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Philip Scott wrote: > > > Where do you guys meet? I'm free tomorrow :) > > I haven't updated the mailing lists details yet, but the details (and more > usefully directions!) are on the following page: > > http://www.paul.sladen.org/notlug/site/meetings.html > > Hope to see you there! > > -Paul > -- > Nottingham, GB > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 22/08/2002 From notlug@paul.sladen.org Wed Sep 04 00:59:00 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:59:00 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mNZU-0006oO-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 00:59:00 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 672117A4F8; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:59:00 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D2791FBC for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:59:00 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 00:59:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:59:00 +0100 (BST) On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Duncan John Fyfe wrote: > Ritual dictates this should be tomorrow (4th September 2002) I'm going to be proactive and dictate that I turn up! Other people will no- doubt just randomly turn up without saying so first. ;) This'll be a social meet at the Wetherspoon's on St. James Street for 8pm. If people are organising a trip to Pizza Hut or $OTHER_EATING_VENUE pipe up. We're also having a meet in Beeston /next/ month (*Wednesday 2nd October*), to coincide with the start of new student year which will be about wiring your house with Cat5 Ethernet cable and setting up a small network to share broadband internet access and play QuakeIII and of course using GNU/Linux. ;) > Does anyone care ? LOL! :) Since somebody mentioned that the site needs something doing with it so I'll bring the laptop so that those who want can huddle together and do some mods and bring the stuff across that Mike did and update the details for the mailing list. See you guys (and girls?) there! Remember some people have had a 100% success rate at pulling so we're well certified... -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From notlug@paul.sladen.org Wed Sep 04 01:08:41 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:08:41 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mNir-0006wp-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:08:41 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0A3147A4F8; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:08:41 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0399591FBC for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:08:40 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting In-Reply-To: <019f01c253a5$2decd440$fc8a0551@workstation> Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 01:09:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:08:40 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Rich Amies wrote: > Are many people attending? Anything up to two dozen, the next big event should be next months so this one depends. > What actually happens at these meets? This one will be drinking b33r and being g33ky! ;-) Come and contrast it with next months to get savour of all flavours. > *newbie alert* :o) Just remember that /everyone/ has been a GNU/Linux newbie, so you'll fit in just fine and if you manage to ask a question between arguments^Wdiscussions on GNOME vs. KDE you should be able to get some answers to any problems you have too. -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From rich@madgamers.net Wed Sep 04 01:15:09 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:15:09 +0100 Received: from [66.96.230.8] (helo=vapor.liquidweb.com) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mNp7-00072j-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 01:15:09 +0100 Received: from 81-5-138-252.dsl.eclipse.net.uk ([81.5.138.252] helo=workstation) by vapor.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mNb2-00088N-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 20:00:36 -0400 Message-ID: <01ad01c253a8$1c4106f0$fc8a0551@workstation> From: "Rich Amies" To: References: Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vapor.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mailman.lug.org.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - madgamers.net X-RBL-Warning: (relays.osirusoft.com) [1] globalinternic, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S397 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 01:16:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 01:14:58 +0100 Heh... I'm not that much of a newbie - I meant newbie to geek meets ;o). I've used Linux off and on for the last 4/5 years, and have run a few dedicated servers. I much prefer KDE3, but in the past Gnome was my window manager of choice. At the moment I'm stuck with Windows XP as I can't for the life of me make my Zoom USB ADSL modem work under Linux - despite trying the eciadsl.sourceforge.net drivers. Smoothwall doesn't work with it either :o(. I might pop in - so long as I'm not sitting there all on my own! Depends on what time I finish work and all that other crap... Anyway, my bed is calling me... --Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Sladen" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting > On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Rich Amies wrote: > > > Are many people attending? > > Anything up to two dozen, the next big event should be next months so this > one depends. > > > What actually happens at these meets? > > This one will be drinking b33r and being g33ky! ;-) Come and contrast it > with next months to get savour of all flavours. > > > *newbie alert* :o) > > Just remember that /everyone/ has been a GNU/Linux newbie, so you'll fit in > just fine and if you manage to ask a question between arguments^Wdiscussions > on GNOME vs. KDE you should be able to get some answers to any problems you > have too. > > -Paul > -- > Nottingham, GB > > > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. 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Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 22/08/2002 From scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 04 12:04:18 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:04:18 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mXxK-0007Ik-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:04:18 +0100 Received: from m60-mp1.cvx1-a.not.dial.ntli.net ([80.4.128.60]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020904110416.CPAY25423.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@m60-mp1.cvx1-a.not.dial.ntli.net> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:04:16 +0100 From: Philip Scott To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting User-Agent: KMail/1.4.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200209041159.15465.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Reply-To: scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 12:05:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:59:15 +0100 Okay, I'll be there. I shall make a sign saying 'NLUG' okay, so if you see someone holding one u= p,=20 you must jump up and down allright? On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:40 am, Paul Sladen wrote: > On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Philip Scott wrote: > > Where do you guys meet? I'm free tomorrow :) > > I haven't updated the mailing lists details yet, but the details (and more > usefully directions!) are on the following page: > > http://www.paul.sladen.org/notlug/site/meetings.html > > Hope to see you there! > > -Paul From roger.light@nottingham.ac.uk Wed Sep 04 12:49:36 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:49:36 +0100 Received: from pat.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk ([128.243.40.194]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mYfA-00081z-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:49:36 +0100 Received: from ccw0c2.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk ([128.243.220.123] helo=ccw0c3.nottingham.ac.uk) by pat.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1) id 17mYf9-0006CM-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:49:35 +0100 Received: from gwmail-MTA by ccw0c3.nottingham.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:49:35 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 6.0.2 From: "Roger Light" To: Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 12:50:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 12:49:17 +0100 Hi, >I'm going to be proactive and dictate that I turn up! Other people will no- >doubt just randomly turn up without saying so first. ;) Well I can't make it for sure, unfortunately. However.... >We're also having a meet in Beeston /next/ month (*Wednesday 2nd October*), >to coincide with the start of new student year which will be about wiring >your house with Cat5 Ethernet cable and setting up a small network to share >broadband internet access and play QuakeIII and of course using GNU/Linux. ;) ....I'll still stick my oar in. University of Nottingham term has only been started a week and a bit on the 2nd. Didn't we decide that it would be better to have a slightly later (additional?) meeting that was for wiring and have the usual pub meet as well? Cheers, Roger From root@web2.alivewww.com Wed Sep 04 14:05:55 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:05:55 +0100 Received: from [217.158.94.198] (helo=web2.alivewww.com) by lug.org.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mZr1-0000t9-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 14:05:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 65083 invoked by uid 2525); 4 Sep 2002 12:59:56 -0000 To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting Message-ID: <1031144396.3d7603cce4ce1@webmail.maedhros.org.uk> From: Joe Wrigley References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.6 X-Originating-IP: 194.196.110.14 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 14:06:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 13:59:56 +0100 (BST) > See you guys (and girls?) there! Remember some people have had a 100% > success rate at pulling so we're well certified... lol, I assume you mean me. On that note, I think you deserve an update (assuming you haven't heard from Jon). We're still together, 5 months later! Anyone know any kind of pulling estimates for LUGs in general? I'm now working for IBM in Hursley for a year, so not likely to make it to any meets in the near future. If we're about, though, Hannah and I will drop in to say hello. Joe From scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk Wed Sep 04 23:49:29 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:49:29 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.47]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mixl-0001Tk-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 04 Sep 2002 23:49:29 +0100 Received: from m179-mp1.cvx1-a.not.dial.ntli.net ([80.4.128.179]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020904224918.COWV13709.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@m179-mp1.cvx1-a.not.dial.ntli.net> for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:49:18 +0100 From: Philip Scott To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting User-Agent: KMail/1.4.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200209042343.44251.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Reply-To: scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed Sep 4 23:50:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 23:43:44 +0100 Weeelll, I went along, and met one other guy who's first time it was also := )=20 Was I looking in the wrong place, or was there really noone else there? Mus= t=20 say, we had a good chat nevertheless! (and made sufficent fools of ourselve= s=20 by walking around with a sign saying 'NLUG?' on it :) Regards, Philip On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:59 am, Paul Sladen wrote: > On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Duncan John Fyfe wrote: > > Ritual dictates this should be tomorrow (4th September 2002) > > I'm going to be proactive and dictate that I turn up! Other people will > no- doubt just randomly turn up without saying so first. ;) > > This'll be a social meet at the Wetherspoon's on St. James Street for 8pm. > If people are organising a trip to Pizza Hut or $OTHER_EATING_VENUE pipe > up. > > We're also having a meet in Beeston /next/ month (*Wednesday 2nd October*= ), > to coincide with the start of new student year which will be about wiring > your house with Cat5 Ethernet cable and setting up a small network to sha= re > broadband internet access and play QuakeIII and of course using GNU/Linux. > ;) > > > Does anyone care ? > > LOL! :) Since somebody mentioned that the site needs something doing wi= th > it so I'll bring the laptop so that those who want can huddle together and > do some mods and bring the stuff across that Mike did and update the > details for the mailing list. > > See you guys (and girls?) there! Remember some people have had a 100% > success rate at pulling so we're well certified... > > -Paul From rich@madgamers.net Thu Sep 05 08:52:54 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:52:54 +0100 Received: from [66.96.230.8] (helo=vapor.liquidweb.com) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17mrRe-0007pu-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 08:52:54 +0100 Received: from 81-5-138-252.dsl.eclipse.net.uk ([81.5.138.252] helo=workstation) by vapor.liquidweb.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 17mrDF-0005xD-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Thu, 05 Sep 2002 03:38:02 -0400 Message-ID: <003901c254b1$39d1a3a0$fc8a0551@workstation> From: "Rich Amies" To: References: <200209042343.44251.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - vapor.liquidweb.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - mailman.lug.org.uk X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - madgamers.net X-RBL-Warning: (relays.osirusoft.com) [1] globalinternic, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S397 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu Sep 5 08:53:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:52:44 +0100 Sorry folks, I got back at 8.30 and was knackered :o). Maybe we should have an unofficial meet, with a bit more notice? :o) --Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Scott" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting Weeelll, I went along, and met one other guy who's first time it was also :) Was I looking in the wrong place, or was there really noone else there? Must say, we had a good chat nevertheless! (and made sufficent fools of ourselves by walking around with a sign saying 'NLUG?' on it :) Regards, Philip On Wednesday 04 September 2002 12:59 am, Paul Sladen wrote: > On Tue, 3 Sep 2002, Duncan John Fyfe wrote: > > Ritual dictates this should be tomorrow (4th September 2002) > > I'm going to be proactive and dictate that I turn up! Other people will > no- doubt just randomly turn up without saying so first. ;) > > This'll be a social meet at the Wetherspoon's on St. James Street for 8pm. > If people are organising a trip to Pizza Hut or $OTHER_EATING_VENUE pipe > up. > > We're also having a meet in Beeston /next/ month (*Wednesday 2nd October*), > to coincide with the start of new student year which will be about wiring > your house with Cat5 Ethernet cable and setting up a small network to share > broadband internet access and play QuakeIII and of course using GNU/Linux. > ;) > > > Does anyone care ? > > LOL! :) Since somebody mentioned that the site needs something doing with > it so I'll bring the laptop so that those who want can huddle together and > do some mods and bring the stuff across that Mike did and update the > details for the mailing list. > > See you guys (and girls?) there! Remember some people have had a 100% > success rate at pulling so we're well certified... > > -Paul _______________________________________________ Nottingham mailing list Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.384 / Virus Database: 216 - Release Date: 22/08/2002 From gxl00u@cs.nott.ac.uk Fri Sep 06 15:14:02 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:14:02 +0100 Received: from pat.cs.nott.ac.uk ([128.243.20.9] helo=Cs.Nott.AC.UK) by lug.org.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nJs2-0000Qt-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:14:02 +0100 Received: from tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk by pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa11737; 6 Sep 2002 15:09 BST Received: from austria.cs.nott.ac.uk by tuck.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa12504; 6 Sep 2002 15:08 BST Message-ID: <3D78B6F0.F6923B8C@cs.nott.ac.uk> From: Guangyue Liu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 15:15:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:08:48 +0100 Hi all, I happened to check the log of my router today and found loads of entries like the following. Sep 6 13:28:16 gw kernel: Packet log: input REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 10.144.103.254: 67 255.255.255.255:68 L=328 S=0x00 I=10445 F=0x0000 T=255 (#4) My rotuer is running Debian Potato with kernel 2.2.19 (i think). And these entries are beening added every minute since last month :-( Could someone please tell me what it means please. cheers -guy- From graeme@graemef.net Fri Sep 06 15:57:35 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:57:35 +0100 Received: from pc3-shep1-4-cust91.not.cable.ntl.com ([80.6.195.91] helo=server.graemef.net) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nKYA-0001xP-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:57:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (graeme@localhost) by server.graemef.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA08763 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:57:34 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: server.graemef.net: graeme owned process doing -bs From: Graeme Fowler To: Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-Reply-To: <3D78B6F0.F6923B8C@cs.nott.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-Spam-Not-Welcome: don't even think about it. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 15:58:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 15:57:33 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Guangyue Liu wrote: > I happened to check the log of my router today and found loads of > entries like the following. > Sep 6 13:28:16 gw kernel: Packet log: input REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 > 10.144.103.254: > 67 255.255.255.255:68 L=328 S=0x00 I=10445 F=0x0000 T=255 (#4) You're on an NTL cable modem. Several thousand other people are on the same network, and they're all using DHCP or BOOTP for addresses. That's just a DHCP client broadcasting for a server. It can be ignored - better to do so, as it'll clutter up your logs :) Graeme From gxl00u@cs.nott.ac.uk Fri Sep 06 16:24:08 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:24:08 +0100 Received: from pat.cs.nott.ac.uk ([128.243.20.9] helo=Cs.Nott.AC.UK) by lug.org.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nKxs-0002Um-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:24:08 +0100 Received: from tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk by pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa27651; 6 Sep 2002 16:20 BST To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk cc: gxl00u@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 2002 15:57:33 BST." From: Guangyue Liu Message-Id: Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 16:25:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:20:51 +0100 On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Graeme Fowler wrote: >You're on an NTL cable modem. Several thousand other people are on the >same network, and they're all using DHCP or BOOTP for addresses. My of my friends has NTL cable modem too, i checked his log and didn't find anything like this. >That's just a DHCP client broadcasting for a server. It can be ignored - >better to do so, as it'll clutter up your logs :) I had a quick search on the net after NTL's service is back on. It seems to be some kind of DoS attack on some other machines (which hopefully my machine has NOT done). I doubt they are DHCP requests, as it does not explain the IP address "10.144.103.254" - it is neither mine, or valid to ping. and it is the same IP through out the log (thousands of entries). :-S have a nice weekend -guy- From mark@sheppos.com Fri Sep 06 16:29:25 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:29:25 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nL2z-0002d8-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:29:25 +0100 Received: from mark-pc1.sheppos.com ([62.254.2.220]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020906152925.SIGZ25423.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@mark-pc1.sheppos.com> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:29:25 +0100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20020906162759.00a69850@pop.ntlworld.com> X-Sender: mark.sheppard2@pop.ntlworld.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk From: Mark Sheppard Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 16:30:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:28:56 +0100 Interesting... it's a 10.0.0.0 IP which shouldn't be seen on the net ever... Would suspect it's on NTL's network. BTW I can ping it. >I had a quick search on the net after NTL's service is back on. It seems to be >some kind of DoS attack on some other machines (which hopefully my machine has >NOT done). I doubt they are DHCP requests, as it does not explain the IP >address "10.144.103.254" - it is neither mine, or valid to ping. and it is >the same IP through out the log (thousands of entries). > >:-S > >have a nice weekend > >-guy- > > > >_______________________________________________ >Nottingham mailing list >Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk >http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham From graeme@graemef.net Fri Sep 06 16:45:23 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:45:23 +0100 Received: from pc3-shep1-4-cust91.not.cable.ntl.com ([80.6.195.91] helo=server.graemef.net) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nLIR-0002te-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 16:45:23 +0100 Received: from localhost (graeme@localhost) by server.graemef.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09023 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:45:22 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: server.graemef.net: graeme owned process doing -bs From: Graeme Fowler To: Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20020906162759.00a69850@pop.ntlworld.com> Message-ID: X-Spam-Not-Welcome: don't even think about it. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 16:46:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 16:45:22 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Mark Sheppard wrote: > Interesting... it's a 10.0.0.0 IP which shouldn't be seen on the net ever... > Would suspect it's on NTL's network. BTW I can ping it. ISTR the 10.x.x.x ranges are those used by the 'setup' application NTL give customers to, erm, setup their cable modem. That's what I got, anyway. When I sneakily ran the setup application on my Mac, but connected the Linux gateway machine to the cable modem... and ran a sniffer to see what it did. It changed ranges to a real one right at the end of the install process. To quote the installer chap: "I'll give you this pack... Oh. Tell you what: read that and run that . You'll know what to do." ;-) G From notlug@paul.sladen.org Fri Sep 06 18:13:23 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:13:23 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nMfb-0004Ep-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:13:23 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A5F8C7A4F8; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:13:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E8291FD8 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:13:22 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-Reply-To: <3D78B6F0.F6923B8C@cs.nott.ac.uk> Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 18:14:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:13:22 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Guangyue Liu wrote: Hi Guy! > 10.144.103.254:67 -> 255.255.255.255:68 This is a DHCP/BOOTP *reply*. A "normal" DHCP request from a client to a server goes out and looks like this: 0.0.0.0:68 -> 255.255.255.255:67 (bootp client -> bootp server) which gets picked up by the Universal Broadband Router at the cable head-end and proxied onto the central DHCP/TFTP server. The reply then comes back from the a `Known' address to the limited-broadcast address, but with the correct MAC address of the device that sent the request; this is what you are seeing. As far as the rfc1918 private addresses go, NTL assigns /22 blocks per UBR to the farside of the cable-modems; the UBR is just acting as a gateway for the cable-modems and takes the top address (10.144.103.254). The UBR also has a gw address for each /24s of "real IPs" being allocated to peoples PC's and an a further address bound to the farside--in this case `80.4.46.138'--which helpfully tells us what it is: nott-clif-ubr-1-pos20.inet.ntl.com So, now you know that there's a second block of addresses there to enable you to get *at* the cable modem, you can start having fun; The cable modem is nothing more than a learning bridge, but it also has two IP addresses bound to it so that it can be communicated with: 192.168.100.1/24 on the *inside* (your side through the Ethernet port) 10.???.???.??/22 on the *outside* (DOCSIS cable interface) You can find out the second address (not that it helps much) by doing an `snmpwalk 192.168.100.1 public' and querying it from your side where you already know what IP address it has. You can also do other groovy things like run MRTG and see what bandwidth you're using. The interesting thing to note is the the 10/8 addresses--which are assigned to the Cable-modem upon bootup--are unique and globally routeable through NTL's network. Eg. I can `ping 10.144.103.254' from the end of this NTL provisioned leased line here, and it works... Madness, have fun. -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From gxl00u@cs.nott.ac.uk Fri Sep 06 18:25:28 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:25:28 +0100 Received: from pat.cs.nott.ac.uk ([128.243.20.9] helo=Cs.Nott.AC.UK) by lug.org.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nMrI-0004PK-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:25:28 +0100 Received: from tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk by pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id ab25612; 6 Sep 2002 18:22 BST To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk cc: gxl00u@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:13:22 BST." From: Guangyue Liu Message-Id: Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 18:26:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:22:44 +0100 Hey Paul, That explains everything... thanks so much. cheers -guy- From notlug@paul.sladen.org Fri Sep 06 18:34:33 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:34:33 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nN05-0004Vk-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:34:33 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A3317A4F8; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:34:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6962C91FD8 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:34:33 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 18:35:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 18:34:33 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Paul Sladen wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Guangyue Liu wrote: > > [...] The reply then comes back from the a `Known' address to the > limited-broadcast address, but with the correct MAC address of the > device that sent the request; [...] I meant ``with the random xid matching the request sent by the client.'' We're still at the initial phase which is why the limited broadcast address is still being used, the MAC address is contained within the packet itself. E&OE and apologies for replying to myself, -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From rob_davies@ntlworld.com Fri Sep 06 19:20:04 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:20:04 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nNi8-00054d-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 19:20:04 +0100 Received: from there ([213.104.60.109]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020906182003.SLTR23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@there> for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:20:03 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert Davies To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020906182003.SLTR23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 19:21:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:08:37 +0100 On Friday 06 September 2002 15:57, you wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Guangyue Liu wrote: > > I happened to check the log of my router today and found loads of > > entries like the following. > > Sep 6 13:28:16 gw kernel: Packet log: input REJECT eth0 PROTO=17 > > 10.144.103.254: > > 67 255.255.255.255:68 L=328 S=0x00 I=10445 F=0x0000 T=255 (#4) > > You're on an NTL cable modem. Several thousand other people are on the > same network, and they're all using DHCP or BOOTP for addresses. > > That's just a DHCP client broadcasting for a server. It can be ignored - > better to do so, as it'll clutter up your logs :) What's going to happen when someone injects packets destination 255.255.255.255 from source 255.255.255.255 into NTL's network on a variety of ports likely to have hosts responding? Surely they have no business routing this traffic. It's fun enough on dialup when you get a rare '.255' address doled out to you, you get to see how many chatty 'doze PCs are out there. Rob From graeme@graemef.net Fri Sep 06 20:36:25 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:36:25 +0100 Received: from pc3-shep1-4-cust91.not.cable.ntl.com ([80.6.195.91] helo=server.graemef.net) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nOu1-0006CF-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:36:25 +0100 Received: (from graeme@localhost) by server.graemef.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14445; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:36:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: server.graemef.net: graeme set sender to graeme@graemef.net using -f Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff From: Graeme Fowler To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk In-Reply-To: <20020906182003.SLTR23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@there> References: <20020906182003.SLTR23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Message-Id: <1031340984.13812.13.camel@server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 20:37:01 2002 X-Original-Date: 06 Sep 2002 20:36:24 +0100 On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 19:08, Robert Davies wrote: Doh. I meant it was a server broadcasting to client! Anyway... > What's going to happen when someone injects packets destination > 255.255.255.255 from source 255.255.255.255 into NTL's network on a variety > of ports likely to have hosts responding? OK, so run nmap and spoof traffic from 255.255.255.255 to 255.255.255.255, hoping that we'll see some traffic come back: [root@server /root]# nmap -sU -vv -P0 -S255.255.255.255 255.255.255.255 -e eth0 -p 67-68 Starting nmap V. 2.53 by fyodor@insecure.org ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Initiating FIN,NULL, UDP, or Xmas stealth scan against (255.255.255.255) The UDP or stealth FIN/NULL/XMAS scan took 12 seconds to scan 2 ports. Interesting ports on (255.255.255.255): Port State Service 67/udp open bootps 68/udp open bootpc Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 12 seconds Nice - we can quite clearly see the results there when scanning ports 67 & 68. The tcpdump made for interesting reading, too, but I'll not publish that here (exercise for the reader, perchance? Note however, as always, YMMV). Scanning every single UDP port however: Starting nmap V. 2.53 by fyodor@insecure.org ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) Initiating FIN,NULL, UDP, or Xmas stealth scan against (255.255.255.255) Skipping host (255.255.255.255) due to host timeout Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 75 seconds Novel. Still, looks like ARP poisoning would also be trivial on this network, mainly due to the disgustingly noisy nature of the infrastructure. My old DSL used to be so quiet (he said, wistfully)!!! > Surely they have no business routing this traffic. Why not? As long as it's not leaked outside their netblocks, it remains private. Remember that regardless of opinion, you are a customer of NTL and what they do with their network infrastructure is their business. If you could ping that address from *outside*, I'd be worried... At this point I'm off into deepest darkest XMAS land to see what I can see. Hopefully NTL won't! G From gxl00u@cs.nott.ac.uk Fri Sep 06 20:45:34 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:45:34 +0100 Received: from pat.cs.nott.ac.uk ([128.243.20.9] helo=Cs.Nott.AC.UK) by lug.org.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nP2s-0006J4-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:45:34 +0100 Received: from tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk by pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa24589; 6 Sep 2002 20:45 BST To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk cc: gxl00u@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 06 Sep 2002 18:34:33 BST." From: Guangyue Liu Message-Id: Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 20:46:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:45:22 +0100 Hey Paul, I've been fooling around with NTL's stuff. i found that when i "ping 255.255.255.255" on my router, i get two replies, both of them are 10.xxx.xxx.xxx. I was thinking that they might be the IPs for my cable modem but funny thing is one of them is running a telnet deamon ( ;-) hehehe). So i guess its NTL's router at the other end of the cable modem? but when i do a "route -n" on my router i am using 213.xxx.xxx.xxx as the default gateway, and when i do a traceroute from somewhere else the last router before my machine is a 80.xx.xx.xx. i am a bit confused now. i guess the 213.xxx.xxx.xxx and one of the 10.xxx.xxx.xxx (the one with telnetd) is the same machine. but what the hell is the 80.xxx.xxx.xxx? cheers -guy- From graeme@graemef.net Fri Sep 06 20:52:12 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:52:12 +0100 Received: from pc3-shep1-4-cust91.not.cable.ntl.com ([80.6.195.91] helo=server.graemef.net) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nP9I-0006PK-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Fri, 06 Sep 2002 20:52:12 +0100 Received: (from graeme@localhost) by server.graemef.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA14540; Fri, 6 Sep 2002 20:52:12 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: server.graemef.net: graeme set sender to graeme@graemef.net using -f Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff From: Graeme Fowler To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Message-Id: <1031341931.13897.17.camel@server> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri Sep 6 20:53:01 2002 X-Original-Date: 06 Sep 2002 20:52:11 +0100 On Fri, 2002-09-06 at 20:45, Guangyue Liu wrote: > i guess the 213.xxx.xxx.xxx and one of the 10.xxx.xxx.xxx (the one with > telnetd) is the same machine. but what the hell is the 80.xxx.xxx.xxx? Always take traceroute return codes with a pinch of salt. It's entirely possible to configure a router such that it replies with 192.168.x.x addresses if you traceroute through it, depending on the implementation of the OS it's running. Basically routers respond with their management interface (if they're simple, or the config tells them to, or you're on a different network) address - what you see inbound may be different to outbound. Be careful! Graeme From notlug@paul.sladen.org Sat Sep 07 17:55:07 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:55:07 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nirT-0004T6-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 17:55:07 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EC26F7A506; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:55:06 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DBD91FE6; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:55:06 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Cc: gxl00u@Cs.Nott.AC.UK Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 7 17:56:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:55:06 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Guangyue Liu wrote: > I've been fooling around with NTL's stuff. i found that when i > "ping 255.255.255.255" on my router, i get two replies, [...] Yup, one'll be your cable-modem and the one ``running telnetd'' is the UBR at the head end. A good deal of network kit doesn't talk SSH for the plain and simple reason that talking SSH needs more work than talking plain easy telnet which is just an NVT protocol and of course no encryption overhead. > So i guess its NTL's router at the other end of the cable modem? but > when i do a "route -n" on my router i am using 213.xxx.xxx.xxx as the default Yes; but your cable modem isn't; it's using the `10.144.103.254/22' address you're seeing above. There are several sets of addresses floating across the same media; one lot (the private ones) for the cable modems to talk to and the other lot (public addresses) for your PC to talk to. In the end everything is pointing at the same interface on the same box. > i guess the 213.xxx.xxx.xxx and one of the 10.xxx.xxx.xxx (the one with > telnetd) is the same machine. but what the hell is the 80.xxx.xxx.xxx? It's the /otherside/ of the same machine. The UBR should have several `10.144.0.0/16' addresses ending `[13579].254' and all the following addresses bound to the HFC cable interface: 62.254.4.254 80.4.38.254 80.4.39.254 80.4.198.254 80.4.199.254 80.4.200.254 80.4.201.254 81.98.144.254 81.98.155.254 81.99.99.254 213.104.79.254 213.107.50.254 213.107.118.254 Plus `80.4.46.10/30' and `80.4.46.138/30' bound to the uplink ethernet (ATM?) interfaces on NTL's side of the Broadband Router. Have fun, play and enjoy... urm. :) -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From notlug@paul.sladen.org Sat Sep 07 18:09:40 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:09:40 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nj5X-0004fh-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:09:39 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A310A7A506; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:09:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 951F691FE6 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:09:39 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff In-Reply-To: <20020906182003.SLTR23840.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 7 18:10:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:09:39 +0100 (BST) On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Robert Davies wrote: > > What's going to happen when someone injects packets destination > 255.255.255.255 from source 255.255.255.255 into NTL's network on a > variety of ports likely to have hosts responding? ``Not very much.'' > Surely they have no business routing this traffic. You're quite right; NTL (or anyone else) never *route* `255.255.255.255'; it is the limited-broadcast address and will never travel outside of a single layer-2 domain (ie, it will be repeated (switched) but never routed). DHCP relays proxy the BOOTP packets by altering them (they replace the `0.0.0.0' and `255.255.255.255' addresses with the remote DHCP servers's and their own Unicast addresses; then do the inverse on the way back. Wake-on-Lan also uses `255.255.255.255' so you may be able to have some fun there... (well it's actually just simple hardware that's interested in the MAC address). Like wifi in `infrastructure mode', chatter between nodes goes via the central end-head to be re-broadcast out again so I suspect that the UBR may not be relaying limited-broadcast packets as these would never normally anything but `client -> headend' or `headend -> client'. > It's fun enough on dialup when you get a rare '.255' address doled out to > you, you get to see how many chatty 'doze PCs are out there. That's quite fine, if they're using prefixes shorter than /24 then .255 isn't always going to be a broadcast address; or if they're using Pt-to-Pt links and routeing /32s through the NAS platform then the issue of subnets disappears completely. ...Presumabley 'doze boxes with broken PPP stacks. :) -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From notlug@paul.sladen.org Sat Sep 07 18:15:45 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:15:45 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17njBQ-0004lv-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:15:44 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9039D7A506; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:15:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F59D91FE6 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:15:44 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting In-Reply-To: <200209042343.44251.scotty@philipscott.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 7 18:16:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:15:44 +0100 (BST) On Wed, 4 Sep 2002, Philip Scott wrote: > Weeelll, I went along, and met one other guy who's first time it was also :) There were certainly other people there, I'm sorry we missed you, or you could find us. I saw an old school teacher of mine in the pub through! We left had about half-past-eleven when we got kicked out. > Must say, we had a good chat nevertheless! (and made sufficent fools of > ourselves by walking around with a sign saying 'NLUG?' on it :) If you sit in the glass bit at the front, or look out for a `LINUX' number plate (and carry your own sign), I'm sure people will come forcibley looking for you with laptops poised at the ready! ;-) -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From notlug@paul.sladen.org Sat Sep 07 18:21:41 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:21:41 +0100 Received: from starsky.19inch.net ([80.1.73.116] ident=postfix) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17njHB-0004sk-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:21:41 +0100 Received: by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D5C427A506; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:21:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starsky.19inch.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E4891FE6 for ; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:21:40 +0100 (BST) From: Paul Sladen X-Sender: paul@starsky.19inch.net To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] September meeting In-Reply-To: <003901c254b1$39d1a3a0$fc8a0551@workstation> Message-ID: X-GPG-Key: DSA/E90CFA24 X-message-flag: You appear to be using Outlook! --Please use plain text when replying. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sat Sep 7 18:22:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:21:40 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 5 Sep 2002, Rich Amies wrote: > Sorry folks, I got back at 8.30 and was knackered :o). Maybe we should have > an unofficial meet, with a bit more notice? :o) Go for it, especially if it's in a different pub^H^H^Hplace. Beer^H^H^H^H Drinks should probably either be good-quality, cheap, both or called `food'. We're going to be having a meet next month with a non-pub bit tacted on the front for an hour-or-so, so if you want to arrange a seperate `more focused' [;-)] event a couple of weeks before/after I'm sure people will pop-in. Experience has shown that it best to *inform* people of a date/time and place rather than /asking/ them first! if you like somewhere, others probably will do too. -Paul -- Nottingham, GB From rob_davies@ntlworld.com Sun Sep 08 11:14:06 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:14:06 +0100 Received: from mta07-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.47]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17nz4w-0004L5-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 11:14:06 +0100 Received: from there ([213.104.60.247]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020908101405.MWPE13709.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@there> for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:14:05 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Robert Davies To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Weird Stuff X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020908101405.MWPE13709.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Sep 8 11:15:01 2002 X-Original-Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 11:05:01 +0100 On Saturday 07 September 2002 18:09, you wrote: > On Fri, 6 Sep 2002, Robert Davies wrote: > > It's fun enough on dialup when you get a rare '.255' address doled out to > > you, you get to see how many chatty 'doze PCs are out there. > > That's quite fine, if they're using prefixes shorter than /24 then .255 > isn't always going to be a broadcast address; or if they're using Pt-to-Pt > links and routeing /32s through the NAS platform then the issue of subnets > disappears completely. > > ...Presumabley 'doze boxes with broken PPP stacks. :) When I noticed it, it was because there seemed to be a significant amount of dialup bandwidth, with high number of different PCs sending packets. It most _definitely_ was not 'fine'. Perhaps the .255 at end was coincidence but I doubt it somehow. Incidentally a couple of months back, there seemed to be concerted efforts to port scan NTL dialup (though just possibly I was targetted as 24 bits of my address would often be visible in IRC). I noticed a lot of log activity from various different networks (many broadband) attempting connects to ports with past well known vulnerabilities (eg. sunrpc, netbios, ssh). Whilst it was going on the service was significantly degraded, though it passed after a couple of days. Rob From jonathan@jonmasters.org Sun Sep 08 15:12:28 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 15:12:28 +0100 Received: from smtp.mailbox.co.uk ([195.82.125.32] helo=smtp.mailbox.net.uk) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17o2nc-0007bM-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 15:12:28 +0100 Received: from [212.18.227.82] (helo=apogee) by smtp.mailbox.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 17o2nb-00025L-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 15:12:27 +0100 Received: from gw-2.int.jonmasters.org ([192.168.1.2] helo=router.int.jonmasters.org) by apogee with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 17o2mS-0001lg-00; Sun, 08 Sep 2002 15:11:16 +0100 Received: from localhost (mastersj@localhost) by router.int.jonmasters.org (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA11561; Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:08:10 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: router.int.jonmasters.org: mastersj owned process doing -bs From: Jon Masters X-Sender: mastersj@router To: Notthingam LUG cc: Jon Masters Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Nottingham] Self Promotion, Consultancy Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Sun Sep 8 15:13:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:08:09 +0100 (BST) [ Self promotion time. Apologies to these uninterested. ] Hi, A brief message, just to mention that I am looking for additional contracting work over the next twelve months. Recent undertakings have been in Systems Administration, realtime systems work for a company which produces NMR/MRI applications equipment and also Windows 2000 Server environment to Debian/Samba migration...and a various other things. I have more than six years Linux/UN*X experience, several managing Solaris. Current contracting work includes London, Reading and the South East for small and medium businesses as well as education. Previous work includes the likes of Sun, technology companies, architects, and many more :-) I hope to have a list of pre-defined "solutions" on a new website soon. Cheers, Jon. From david.is@ntlworld.com Mon Sep 09 16:14:18 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:14:18 +0100 Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.43]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17oQF0-0003dw-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 16:14:18 +0100 Received: from pc4-shep1-4-cust106.not.cable.ntl.com ([81.98.157.106]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020909151417.OJPV11421.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@pc4-shep1-4-cust106.not.cable.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2002 16:14:17 +0100 From: David To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-4) Message-Id: <1031584263.6165.2.camel@DellPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Nottingham] Gnutella software Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Sep 9 16:15:00 2002 X-Original-Date: 09 Sep 2002 16:11:03 +0100 Hi chaps, I've been trying to get some gnutella clients working on my RH7.3 box - I've tried Qtella, GTK-Gnutella and Limewire. Limewire wouldn't even install because I can't get java working, and the other two worked fine but could not connect to any servers! Any idea why? I tried taking down my firewall with Lokkit but it wouldn't let me... I couldn't get the GUI for it, only the text interface,and when I selected 'No Firewall' and then 'OK' to exit the program, the next time I started Lokkit it would be set back to 'High' security. What is everyone else using for Gnutella? Cheers, David From jxk00u@cs.nott.ac.uk Mon Sep 09 17:46:38 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:46:38 +0100 Received: from pat.cs.nott.ac.uk ([128.243.20.9] helo=Cs.Nott.AC.UK) by lug.org.uk with smtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17oRgM-0004vt-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:46:38 +0100 Received: from tuck.cs.nott.ac.uk by pat.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa22926; 9 Sep 2002 17:44 BST To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk From: Johannes Kling Message-Id: Subject: [Nottingham] Re: Gnutella software Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon Sep 9 17:47:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:44:18 +0100 > What is everyone else using for Gnutella? I used GTK-Gnutella for a while, but eventually gave up ... it was virtually impossible to get anything out of the network (but maybe that's just me). Phex, another Gnutella client, took a lifetime to load the list of files I share (~5-10 seconds per file). It's also written in Java tho. Unless you insist on using Gnutella, try finding an OpenNap client (I use XNap, which works fine but is also Java based). It seems to work a lot faster for searches without eating nearly as much bandwidth when idling while offering just as much choice (given the right servers). Jo From david.is@ntlworld.com Tue Sep 10 00:45:35 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:45:35 +0100 Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.41]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17oYDn-00034U-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:45:35 +0100 Received: from pc4-shep1-4-cust106.not.cable.ntl.com ([81.98.157.106]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020909234534.CMB292.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@pc4-shep1-4-cust106.not.cable.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 00:45:34 +0100 Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Re: Gnutella software From: David To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 (1.0.3-4) Message-Id: <1031614939.1476.1.camel@DellPC> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 10 00:46:01 2002 X-Original-Date: 10 Sep 2002 00:42:19 +0100 Looks like I need to get Java working then. I installed the RPM from Sun with no problems, but during the Limewire install it said there was an error then completed the install and exited the program. Afterwards there was no evidence it had been installed anywhere, and the log file indicated it had been a failure even though it ignored the error and supposedly completed. Anyone know of any issues with J2RE 1.4.0_0 and RH7.3? -David On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 17:44, Johannes Kling wrote: > > What is everyone else using for Gnutella? > > I used GTK-Gnutella for a while, but eventually gave up ... it was > virtually impossible to get anything out of the network (but maybe > that's just me). > > Phex, another Gnutella client, took a lifetime to load the list of > files I share (~5-10 seconds per file). It's also written in Java > tho. > > Unless you insist on using Gnutella, try finding an OpenNap client (I > use XNap, which works fine but is also Java based). It seems to work a > lot faster for searches without eating nearly as much bandwidth when > idling while offering just as much choice (given the right servers). > > Jo > > _______________________________________________ > Nottingham mailing list > Nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk > http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/nottingham From mark@musicalstoat.co.uk Tue Sep 10 01:25:58 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:25:58 +0100 Received: from wesley.musicalstoat.co.uk ([212.67.201.244]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17oYqr-0004IE-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:25:57 +0100 Received: from localhost (mark@localhost) by wesley.musicalstoat.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g8A0Puo25855 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:25:57 +0100 From: "Mark O'Shea" To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: Re: [Nottingham] Re: Gnutella software In-Reply-To: <1031614939.1476.1.camel@DellPC> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 10 01:26:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:25:56 +0100 (BST) On 10 Sep 2002, David wrote: > Looks like I need to get Java working then. I installed the RPM from > Sun with no problems, but during the Limewire install it said there was > an error then completed the install and exited the program. Afterwards > there was no evidence it had been installed anywhere, and the log file > indicated it had been a failure even though it ignored the error and > supposedly completed. Anyone know of any issues with J2RE 1.4.0_0 and > RH7.3? > Right, well I just tried to install it from the rpm on a RH 7.0 and the install goes through okay but then: [root@wesley bin]# pwd /usr/java/j2re1.4.0_02/bin [root@wesley bin]# ./java Error: failed /usr/java/j2re1.4.0_02/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so, because libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Right, so what do I have: [root@wesley bin]# locate libstdc++-libc /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 It's looking for an older version. A quick google for that version indicates that it might have been installed on RH 6.2. If I feel the need to use java I might try and sort that out at some point. Can you find java in /usr/java? or not at all? It does seem to have issues with RedHat 7.0 but it might not be the same as what you are experiencing. -- Mark O'Shea From camo_linux@ntlworld.com Tue Sep 10 08:39:11 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:39:11 +0100 Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.42]) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17ofc7-0001jO-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:39:11 +0100 Received: from there ([80.7.16.19]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20020910073910.BVKW287.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:39:10 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" From: mark Organization: private To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020910073910.BVKW287.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Subject: [Nottingham] nottingham lug site entry Sender: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk Errors-To: nottingham-admin@mailman.lug.org.uk X-BeenThere: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue Sep 10 08:40:00 2002 X-Original-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:41:27 +0100 hi crew, here's my submittal for the nottslug front page, the code is a bit rough, but it works and it looks nice, a good friend of mine let me put it on his site. http://edge-op.org/alien/nottslug.html check it out and let me know what you think :) seeya soon mark From leehughes@mail.totalise.co.uk Wed Sep 11 15:52:02 2002 Return-path: Envelope-to: nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15:52:02 +0100 Received: from [217.32.175.131] (helo=mail.totalise.co.uk) by lug.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17p8qY-00086F-00 for nottingham@mailman.lug.org.uk; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 15