To be honest, in the current economic climate I would have thought people would be more receptive to hearing about potential jobs they may have the skills for :) While I'm certainly not a fan of agencies in general, I can't fault Will for his email - it was flagged as OT, got directly to the point and kept it very short. Not only that but he does also contribute to on-topic discussions.<br>
<br>Can't see any problem with the status quo whatsoever.<br><br>-Chris<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/1/30 Alex Mace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alex@hollytree.co.uk">alex@hollytree.co.uk</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style="">To be fair to Will, the subject does say "PHP Contract" roles and he is a subscriber - he's been on the least since at least April 2007 when he contributed to a discussion about AJAX use on large sites. Personally, I don't think there is anything to worry about at the moment, the list is still low volume and job postings from recruiters are infrequent and relevant. To do anything seems like a needless added level of bureaucracy to deal with a problem that is hardly significant.<div>
<br></div><div>Alex</div><div><br><div><div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div>On 29 Jan 2009, at 10:17, Andy Cowan wrote:</div><br></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-GB">
<div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">How about restricting posts to the list to subscribers only, and removing anyone from a recruitment agency?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I'm not advocating preventing people who are genuine list users advertising their own jobs available or their own availability even, just trying to keep agencies off the list.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">This morning's job post doesn't mention PHP. Or any skills required.</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">
<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">A.</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;" lang="EN-US"><span> </span><a href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><span> </span>[<a href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>sukh virdee<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>29 January 2009 10:14<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>Re: [Phpwm] OT - PHP Contract roles in Walsall</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">Andy,<br>it's been like this for ages, question is, what can you do eh?<span> </span><br><br>I find the group very interesting and educational and choose to just ignore the job posts!<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Sukh</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: center; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;" align="center"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%">
</span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;">From:<span> </span><a href="mailto:andy@w4.co.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">andy@w4.co.uk</a><br>
To:<span> </span><a href="mailto:phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 10:07:20 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Phpwm] OT - PHP Contract roles in Walsall</span></div>
</div></div><div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi All</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"></span></div>
<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Are we happy with pimps invading our space with off-topic job postings? Surely if we allow this it's just a matter of time before they just add the mailing list address to their database and we see every job they're trying to hawk around?</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"></span></div>
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<div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma,sans-serif;" lang="EN-US"><span> </span><a href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><span> </span>[<a href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>]<span> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span> </span></b>Will Fraser<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span> </span>29 January 2009 09:11<br><b>To:</b><span> </span><a href="mailto:phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">phpwm@mailman.lug.org.uk</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span> </span>[Phpwm] OT - PHP Contract roles in Walsall</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"></span></div>
</div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana,sans-serif;"> </span></div></div></div><table style="width: 100%;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
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</div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',serif;">If you're not looking for work at the moment then please ignore this! If you are then I have two three month contract positions based in Walsall, one mid-weight and one more senior. If you are interested then please contact me on 0207 367 4408, or<span> </span><a href="mailto:wfraser@rethink-recruitment.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline;" target="_blank">wfraser@rethink-recruitment.com</a>, and I will be able to tell you about the roles in more detail.</div>
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