<font face="Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 12px;">> “Microsoft are taking PHP very seriously and if you have any thoughts, email them and they will listen” or so the bloke says.<br><br>Mmm, I'll take that with a pinch of salt. It may have been a good few years since we had a new Halloween document but that doesn't mean they've changed their tune.<br>
</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/3/6 Alex Mace <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alex@hollytree.co.uk">alex@hollytree.co.uk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
.. had t'pay mill owner for permission to come to work...<br>
<br>
:-D<br>
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On 6 Mar 2009, at 09:56, alan dunn wrote:<br>
<br>
> Steady Phil, I could get upset at this talk about your father.... I<br>
> was<br>
> an engineering student at Manchester (UMIST) when Ferranti machine<br>
> number 2, was housed in its own purpose built 10 storey tower block<br>
> 'The<br>
> Ferranti Building' and even in those days was heavily guarded behind<br>
> locked doors. We mere undergraduates weren't even allowed access to<br>
> the<br>
> puch card machines. We had to submit hand written code and wait for<br>
> the<br>
> results to come back on piano listing paper.<br>
><br>
> Then again maybe I am old enough to be your father!<br>
><br>
> alan dunn<br>
><br>
> Phil Beynon wrote:<br>
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>>> [mailto:<a href="mailto:phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk">phpwm-bounces@mailman.lug.org.uk</a>]On Behalf Of Lester Caine<br>
>>> Sent: 05 March 2009 14:42<br>
>>> To: West Midlands PHP User Group<br>
>>> Subject: Re: [Phpwm] wysiwig editor<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Phil Beynon wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>>>> Now THAT’s a GREAT idea!!! But why stop at Word, couldn’t we<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> just kidnap<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Bill Gates at age 6 months?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>> If only ...<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> But the whole current fiasco is down to two simple mistakes IBM<br>
>>>>> made<br>
>>>>> when designing the PC and not really expecting it to work. Using<br>
>>>>> the<br>
>>>>> cheapest processor that was available because no one else<br>
>>>>><br>
>>> would use it,<br>
>>><br>
>>>>> and using a software house that did not even HAVE software.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Just think what we would have today if a version of linux had<br>
>>>>> been used<br>
>>>>> on any of the 32 bit machines available at the time? PC's were<br>
>>>>><br>
>>> not cheap<br>
>>><br>
>>>>> ( I paid £5500 for an IBM AT! ) so a few extra pounds on something<br>
>>>>> decent would not have broken the bank :(<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> --<br>
>>>>> Lester Caine - G8HFL<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>> The problem is that with the same time machine you end up<br>
>>>><br>
>>> visiting a time<br>
>>><br>
>>>> where every single machine has its own operating system, own<br>
>>>><br>
>>> disk format,<br>
>>><br>
>>>> own applications, none of which port easily from one platform<br>
>>>><br>
>>> to another.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Microsoft might not be to everyones tastes, but at least the<br>
>>>><br>
>>> original badly<br>
>>><br>
>>>> designed PC did something due to IBMs leverage - it set a standard.<br>
>>>> The Apple II and IIe at the time was debatably a better machine,<br>
>>>> but<br>
>>>> suffered from Apple's protectionism in not allowing far eastern<br>
>>>> clones.<br>
>>>><br>
>>> I still have the books for Uniplus System V Unix on the shelf<br>
>>> here. That<br>
>>> was running on a number of the processors we were playing with at<br>
>>> that<br>
>>> time - heck I should still have the TMS99000 box around somewhere<br>
>>> but I<br>
>>> know the MC68000's were scrapped. They were similar prices to the<br>
>>> IBM-AT<br>
>>> but there was no PCB layout software available :(<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>><br>
>> Somewhere there is a Mercury Autocode handbook for a Ferranti Atlas<br>
>> around<br>
>> here! I hasten to add this was something my father worked on way<br>
>> back when,<br>
>> I'm not that old!<br>
>> It makes interesting reading though!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
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